Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

[FlameOn]

Putin is now blaming Ukraine for the entire incident. Along with the video released of the plane getting hit there are rumors the black box has been found by rebels and has made it's way into the hands of Russian aviation "authorities"

In an uncompromising statement, Russian President Vladimir Putin's said Kiev bore full responsibility for the crash, arguing Ukraine's crackdown on separatist rebels stoked tensions that led to the disaster.
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Ukrainian rebel forces have reportedly found the black boxes of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane amid the scattered debris.

Moscow-based wire agency Interfax has reported that Ukrainian rebel forces have the black boxes and have agreed to hand it over to the Russian-run regional air safety authority.

It is important to know who has the black box because that organization will control the release of the data recordings and information from on board before the plane hit the ground.

Russian authorities have the ability to read out both the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder, former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board accident investigator Tom Haueter told ABC News.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...d-9613730.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=24607538

[Table 5]

Man, talk about horrendous luck. One family in Australia had victims on each of the Malaysian flights.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle19670546/

In an almost incomprehensible twist of fate, an Australian woman who lost her brother in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 learned on Friday that her stepdaughter was on the plane shot down over Ukraine.

[normtwofinger]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Man, talk about horrendous luck. One family in Australia had victims on each of the Malaysian flights.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle19670546/

Why would you ever let your stepdaughter fly on that airline after the first tragedy?? That poor woman.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

Why would you ever let your stepdaughter fly on that airline after the first tragedy?? That poor woman.

Why wouldn't you? Nobody could have predicted that Malaysia Airlines would have one of their aircraft shot out of the sky by a freaking SAM, of all things.

[FlameOn]

More Russia Today journalists quit in the wake of the incident. Sara Firth is the latest in a long series of resignations at the troubled "news' outlet. She quit because she was repeatedly asked to lie.

RT style guide Rule 1: It is ALWAYS *Ukraine's fault (*add name as applicable). We do work for Putin. We are asked on a daily basis if not to totally ignore then to obscure the truth.

I resigned from RT today. I have huge respect for many in the team, but I'm for the truth. I couldn’t do it any more, we’re lying every single day. Every single day we’re lying and finding sexier ways to do it.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/russia...an-plane-crash
http://twitchy.com/2014/07/18/whoa-d...in-propaganda/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/...nian?bftw=main

[Titan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Damn. sounds like over a hundred of the passengers were on their way to an international AIDS conference in Melbourne:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...kla9pI.twitter

This information really brings the tragedy home for me. It is awful no matter which innocents are killed but over 100 people that have dedicated their lives to helping others? That makes it even worse. As well, to lose the number of doctors and PhDs that we did will have long term implications for the whole world. Truly a horrible tragedy that will have ripple effects for years to come.

[Thor]

RT is such trash.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Titan

This information really brings the tragedy home for me. It is awful no matter which innocents are killed but over 100 people that have dedicated their lives to helping others? That makes it even worse. As well, to lose the number of doctors and PhDs that we did will have long term implications for the whole world. Truly a horrible tragedy that will have ripple effects for years to come.

One of the better lines I've read summarizing the impacts went something like:

"The lives lost today (July 17th) are but a drop in the bucket of those that will be lost as a result of the attack".

That's my poorly summarized version of conveying that thousands+ will die because of the loss of these people.

[Huntingwhale]

Spoiler!

On a normal travel day, the airspace over Ukraine is some of the most congested in the world. It serves as a major cross roads for flights connecting major hubs in Europe with megacities in Asia.

However, after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was reportedly shot down earlier today, most of the world’s major airlines have ordered their planes to avoid the area completely.

The above map, which was tweeted by Newsweek, shows Ukranian airspace a few hours after MH17 lost contact with radar.

http://www.thedailynewsroundup.com/m...nian-airspace/

[Knut]

MSNBC pranked. Best time to prank a news station. What a dummy.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

More Russia Today journalists quit in the wake of the incident. Sara Firth is the latest in a long series of resignations at the troubled "news' outlet. She quit because she was repeatedly asked to lie.



http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/russia...an-plane-crash
http://twitchy.com/2014/07/18/whoa-d...in-propaganda/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/...nian?bftw=main

Good for them/her. I wish more American "journalists" had such integrity.

[chemgear]

Apologies if posted already (I tried to go back but hit the Bush & Obama wall).




http://www.businessinsider.com/ukrai...nscript-2014-7

Transcripts of audio intercepted by Ukrainian security services in which pro-Russian separatists discuss how they had shot down an airliner paint a chilling picture of what happened on the ground after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crashed near the Russian border, killing all 298 people on board.

[terminator]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysi...ders-1.2710774

Seems as if the Ukrainians have some of the black boxes?

Very poorly written article that jumps around more then Chris Kross

[nik-]

It's too bad China won't give a #### and will still give a ton of business to Russia. It would be awesome to bring their economy to its knees to push that relic out of power.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Negative, On the BUK weapon system, there is something very similar to what NATO uses that helps us differentiate Military from Civilian Aircraft.
Without breaking the law, I will describe it as best I can...
ALL Civilian airlines, especially international flights have one. They Squawk a Commercial identification code, and any transponder can pick it up and ID everything about that flight. Its tough to think the pilot was not squawking his IFF(Ident friend or Foe). If he was failing to do so over a "Hot Zone" ... well ... The BUK certainly has one. Weather or not the operator on the platform knows how to use it is another story.

So is it possible to fire a missile at a plane and not how to use the identification aspect of it? Or would it be too unlikely to have enough knowledge to shoot the missiles but not know how to use the identification part? Maybe it was the equivalent of the weekend crew on the machine? Know just enough to be dangerous.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by WilsonFourTwo

It's even more disturbing to realize that the video is over a minute long....

Watch at your own discretion...it's not graphic, nor does it capture the moment of impact, but it's undeniably sad to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2XwHY_S6z0

I've seen mention of this on other sites confirming this to be of an unrelated flight.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So is it possible to fire a missile at a plane and not how to use the identification aspect of it? Or would it be too unlikely to have enough knowledge to shoot the missiles but not know how to use the identification part? Maybe it was the equivalent of the weekend crew on the machine? Know just enough to be dangerous.

That's likely what happened. Enough knowledge to be dangerous and not enough experience to fully vet the target.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So is it possible to fire a missile at a plane and not how to use the identification aspect of it? Or would it be too unlikely to have enough knowledge to shoot the missiles but not know how to use the identification part? Maybe it was the equivalent of the weekend crew on the machine? Know just enough to be dangerous.

Generally militia members aren't too well trained. In this case, there had to have been some form of existing training, or knowledge of the systems by someone back from the Soviet days, just enough to remember how to target and fire.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So is it possible to fire a missile at a plane and not how to use the identification aspect of it? Or would it be too unlikely to have enough knowledge to shoot the missiles but not know how to use the identification part? Maybe it was the equivalent of the weekend crew on the machine? Know just enough to be dangerous.

Possible but unlikely, the identification aspect of the system iirc which is the transponder display can't be shut off. So its going to show up on the radar screen as civillian.

On top of that these vehicles usually have a two to three man firing system.

You have the radar operator, the weapons operator and a battery commander. On top of that these vehicles are air defense platforms and are designed to work in a web with other air defense vehicles. In other words somewhere there was a senior commander in communication who made the final decision to fire.

Even a week end crew has to be trained on how the system works and how to read a radar, and how to use the optical system.

I have a serious problem with them thinking it was a AN-26 for example, the altitude alone pretty much screams civilian air liner and a civilian airliner does not behave like a military jet.

[burn_this_city]

Lone Canadian onboard has been identified as a 24 year old from Ajax Ontario

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...mh17-1.2711168