07-17-2014, 09:28 PM
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#1121
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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The one large breed was a German Shepard Akita cross
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Akita's should probably be banned as well. I just don't see the need for owning an attack dog for preventing a home invasion in our society unless you're running a crack house or something to that effect. Most dogs will bark giving an alarm that should scare off most anyone.
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07-17-2014, 09:28 PM
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#1122
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by nik-
and are you all torn up or almost dead?
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That's what I hate about this argument, just because the small dogs didn't nearly kill me, doesn't excuse them from being violent and uncontrolled. As for the German Shepard Akita, yes, I was almost dead, It took 227 stitches to sew up my head, while I was unconscious from shock and blood loss. That was my best friends dog, who I had spent years around, it attacked while we were sitting on the living room floor playing SNES.
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07-17-2014, 09:29 PM
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#1123
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Originally Posted by wretched34
That's what I hate about this argument, just because the small dogs didn't nearly kill me, doesn't excuse them from being violent and uncontrolled. As for the German Shepard Akita, yes, I was almost dead, It took 227 stitches to sew up my head, while I was unconscious from shock and blood loss. That was my best friends dog, who I had spent years around, it attacked while we were sitting on the living room floor playing SNES.
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I disagree. I think the consequences of dog attacks from different breeds is absolutely relevant.
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07-17-2014, 09:31 PM
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#1124
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by 4X4
Pretty sure the reason people are getting pissed off about these dogs is that they are attacking other dogs at dog parks, and ripping off kids' faces arbitrarily.
Get your head out of the sand.
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The dogs that are attacking other dogs at parks should not be there. That is the owners responsibility. If your dog is not good in social situations, it shouldn't be off leash, and if on leash, should be held tightly when approached.
That is my point in all of this, the breeds get an awful name because of the OWNERS.
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07-17-2014, 09:36 PM
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#1125
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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This is a tough debate right here. I have met some pretty lovable pit bulls but the damage they can do is pretty damn scary! I can understand both sides argument here. I got bit by a toothless Chihuahua once, it actually hurt like hell, lol.
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07-17-2014, 09:38 PM
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#1126
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by nik-
I disagree. I think the consequences of dog attacks from different breeds is absolutely relevant.
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So it's cool for every idiot on the planet to own a small dog that bites kids and other dogs at the park, because it's less likely for serious injury to occur.
While responsible owners lose one of the greatest breeds available.
In 10 years, after Pitbulls and all other large breeds have been banned, we'll just live in a world over run by yappy little ankle biters, because they're so cute.
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07-17-2014, 09:40 PM
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#1127
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Originally Posted by wretched34
So it's cool for every idiot on the planet to own a small dog that bites kids and other dogs at the park, because it's less likely for serious injury to occur.
While responsible owners lose one of the greatest breeds available.
In 10 years, after Pitbulls and all other large breeds have been banned, we'll just live in a world over run by yappy little ankle biters, because they're so cute.
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No, it's not cool, and you know that's not what I'm saying, so stop. I'm saying the results of a pitbull attack are often way more horrendous, I'm guessing at a ratio higher than most breeds.
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07-17-2014, 09:41 PM
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#1128
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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Originally Posted by wretched34
The dogs that are attacking other dogs at parks should not be there. That is the owners responsibility. If your dog is not good in social situations, it shouldn't be off leash, and if on leash, should be held tightly when approached.
That is my point in all of this, the breeds get an awful name because of the OWNERS.
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You can't put it all down to nurture, nature has a lot of the bearing as well.
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07-17-2014, 09:42 PM
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#1129
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by nik-
I want to know beyond the numbers of aggressive incidents. I'd be curious to see the comparisons of results in pitbull attacks, compared to Golden Retriever attacks, compared to poodle attacks, compared to others.
If a poodle or miniature variant is more likely to be aggressive than a pitbull, that sounds all fine and good on the surface, but what is the comparative damage? Does a golden retriever incident involve a bad bite and nothing further? This is more than just sheer temperament percentages.
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O that's what you meant. I'll do some more digging. Trying to find some credible ones is proving to be a challenge.
Last edited by combustiblefuel; 07-17-2014 at 09:48 PM.
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07-17-2014, 09:43 PM
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#1130
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by wretched34
That's what I hate about this argument, just because the small dogs didn't nearly kill me, doesn't excuse them from being violent and uncontrolled.
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Sure it doesn't excuse them, but it kinda like how when a 6 year old punches anyone, there are no criminal charges. When a 26 year old punches anyone (especially a 6 year old), it's different.
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07-17-2014, 09:43 PM
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#1131
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
O that's what you meant. I'll do some more digging. Trying to find some credible ones is proving to be a challenge.
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Yeah, I don't even really know if they would track that type of thing
Personally I've been attacked by dogs twice in my life. Once it was a small one that just bit my calf. When I was younger I was attacked by a dog and it tore my ear almost completely off. If the second attack would have been a breed that didn't relent, like pitbulls mostly don't, I would have been incredibly torn up.
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07-17-2014, 09:48 PM
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#1132
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Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by nik-
Yeah, I don't even really know if they would track that type of thing
Personally I've been attacked by dogs twice in my life. Once it was a small one that just bit my calf. When I was younger I was attacked by a dog and it tore my ear almost completely off. If the second attack would have been a breed that didn't relent, like pitbulls mostly don't, I would have been incredibly torn up.
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The Canadian public health agency only keeps track of attacks not by breed tho.
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07-17-2014, 09:51 PM
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#1133
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by 4X4
Sure it doesn't excuse them, but it kinda like how when a 6 year old punches anyone, there are no criminal charges. When a 26 year old punches anyone (especially a 6 year old), it's different.
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But how is it fair too hold a 1 year old pitbull to a higher standard than a 1 year old Chihuahua?
Again, the responsibility lies on the owner, not the dog. And that is even more prevalent when it is a Pitbull or other large breed capable of causing more severe injuries.
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07-17-2014, 09:56 PM
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#1134
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One of the Nine
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Originally Posted by wretched34
But how is it fair too hold a 1 year old pitbull to a higher standard than a 1 year old Chihuahua?
Again, the responsibility lies on the owner, not the dog. And that is even more prevalent when it is a Pitbull or other large breed capable of causing more severe injuries.
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Ok. We're just not going to agree. I'm starting to question your intelligence.
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07-17-2014, 09:57 PM
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#1135
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
You can't put it all down to nurture, nature has a lot of the bearing as well.
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On the nature issue:
Chihuahua:
Temperament
The temperament of its human guardian can make a difference in the temperament of the pup. Tempered Chihuahuas can be easily provoked to attack, and are therefore generally unsuitable for homes with small children. [17] The breed tends to be fiercely loyal to one particular guardian and in some cases may become over protective of the person, especially around other people or animals. If properly managed by older children, 13 and up, they can adapt to this kind of living with a dedicated guardian. They do not always get along with other breeds, [17] and tend to have a "clannish" nature, often preferring the companionship of other Chihuahuas or Chihuahua mixes over other dogs. [18] These traits generally make them unsuitable for households with children that are not patient and calm.
American Pitbull terrier:
Temperament
The UKC gives this description of the characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier:
The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.
You were saying?
Pitbulls are by nature very friendly, and love children, as I have been saying all along, it comes down to ownership, also noted about chihuahuas, however, even with proper guidance, chihuahuas are known to not be good around children especially, or anyone other than it's pack leader.
Pitbulls have always been noted to be one of the best breed types for family pets, for their natural characteristics, loyalty and friendly attitudes.
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07-17-2014, 09:59 PM
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#1136
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I would repeat the difference again, but I'm guessing it would be wasted text.
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07-17-2014, 10:06 PM
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#1138
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by 4X4
Ok. We're just not going to agree. I'm starting to question your intelligence.
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Why do you questions another persons intelligence because they don't agree with you?
Do you feel that you are smarter than everyone around you, because only your opinion makes sense?
How much interaction have you personally had with Pitbulls? From the sounds of your reasoning, you've never been around a happy, loving pitbull, however, if you'd only been around the pitbulls you describe, you shouldn't be alive....
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07-17-2014, 10:08 PM
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#1139
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by Hesla
Maybe owning a breed like a Pitbull/Akita/Rottie etc requires you to undergo a pysch evaluation, a course on responsibile ownership and enter a registry ?
An Analogy.
Kids are in the backyard playing with a BB Gun. It accidentally fires and hits a kid in the cheek. Small Scar in the future at most. Nothing reported.
Kids are in the backyard playing with an Assualt Riffle. It accidently fires and hits a kid in the cheek. Brains splattered. Gets reported.
Pit Bull owners talk about how other breeds attack more and are "less Dangerous". More BB guns have accidentally been fired off than Assault Rifles, but the result is completely different. In both cases the Gun owners were negligent.
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In all honesty, a training course and registry for dog owners of "dangerous" breeds is a far better option than a ban. Breeds should not be killed off because some people are not responsible, much like the gun debate.
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07-17-2014, 10:10 PM
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#1140
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: North of the River, South of the Bluff
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Originally Posted by wretched34
More often than not, it's the small breeds that provoke attacks, read my earlier story. My 85lb Bulldogge (classified as a pitbull in many countries) has been attacked by small breeds numerous times at the park, he has never retaliated, but honestly, I wouldn't be mad at him if he did. It's like your kid being bullied at school, would you not want them to stand up for themselves?
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I think the issue is not how many times your much larger dog has withstood the bites of various pomeranians. I think the issue is that with that dog breed they are instinctual (as are all animals). When they snap they can't tell if it is a child or a small dog, they see kill, and execute. It is muscle memory, and in a lot of ways these dogs just zone out until they are either beaten back physically, or they win.
I honestly could care less about dog on dog crime. Animal kingdom rules, happens all the time in the wild. What makes me very nervous is that loveable cuddly bullet taking family dog when it snaps all bets are off for a dog or kid.
Why on earth anyone would even what to take the chance around their kids, or other kids with that risk is at the very least irresponsible and selfish.
Oh and the whole home defence argument? Get an alarm, or a weapon, even a gun. At least then you can take massive precaution, and lock it up, and know for sure it ain't going off randomly.
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