Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Anywhere where they won't be firing Rockets from? Seems pretty simple. Don't fire Rockets beside a school unless you're expecting the kids to get killed so you can show it on TV

One of the most densely populated areas in the region.

Hemmed in from all sides.

[RougeUnderoos]

Apropos of nothing in particular, but how familiar is everyone with the geography and size of this area?

I've sure never been there, but a quick google search tells me that the Gaza Strip is about half the size of Calgary, has ~500,000 more people, and is hemmed in by the drink on one side and a concrete fence on the other.

Ignoring everything else, where else are they going to hide anything?

I'm sure the Israelis have all sorts of weaponry and targets fairly close to civilian populations because, well, same deal. Where else are they going to put it?

You could fit Israel into Alberta like 30 times and there are millions of people crammed in there with all sorts of military hardware, including nukes (unofficially of course).

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Nobody was firing from that beach and kids still ended up dead. Israel purposely targets civilians just like Hamas does.

This is nonsense and you know it.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

This is nonsense and you know it.

Not nonsense at all. Why were those kids targeted on the beach while playing? Several reporters said they were there and not a single fighter was there. They were shelled and kids were the targeted victims and they ended up dead.

How do you explain that?

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Apropos of nothing in particular, but how familiar is everyone with the geography and size of this area?

I've sure never been there, but a quick google search tells me that the Gaza Strip is about half the size of Calgary, has ~500,000 more people, and is hemmed in by the drink on one side and a concrete fence on the other.

Ignoring everything else, where else are they going to hide anything?

I'm sure the Israelis have all sorts of weaponry and targets fairly close to civilian populations because, well, same deal. Where else are they going to put it?

You could fit Israel into Alberta like 30 times and there are millions of people crammed in there with all sorts of military hardware, including nukes (unofficially of course).

You're not supposed to use logic in this conflict, we're all supposed to keep repeating that hamas intentionally puts civilians in harm's way.

[afc wimbledon]

It's important to realize that neither Hamas nor the Likud party in Isreal want peace, both parties maintain their power through the war. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis would touch either party with a ten foot pole if it wasn't for their position of being tough on the enemy, both parties are as corrupt as a New Jersey garbage contractor.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

You're not supposed to use logic in this conflict, we're all supposed to keep repeating that hamas intentionally puts civilians in harm's way.

Of course they do, the firing of those dumb ass rockets makes absolutely no sense otherwise, the only point of those rockets is to bait Israel into doing something stupid back, that whips up the base and ensures then PLO don't get back in.

[afc wimbledon]

Hamas isn't fighting Israel, they're fighting the PLO. That is what all of this is about.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course they do, the firing of those dumb ass rockets makes absolutely no sense otherwise, the only point of those rockets is to bait Israel into doing something stupid back, that whips up the base and ensures then PLO don't get back in.

Hamas fires those weak rockets to make themselves feel good by being "tough". I don't believe for a second that their intention is to provoke Israel into bombing Gaza, their own families live there and are sometimes the target for retaliation.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Hamas isn't fighting Israel, they're fighting the PLO. That is what all of this is about.

There really isn't much left to fight with respect to the PA/PLO for Hamas. If it weren't for the fact that about half of the WB is employed by the PA, they would've been long gone already. Unfortunately, the PA are viewed as Israeli stooges. Probably for good reason.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Not nonsense at all. Why were those kids targeted on the beach while playing? Several reporters said they were there and not a single fighter was there. They were shelled and kids were the targeted victims and they ended up dead.

How do you explain that?

I am trying to understand why you think those particular kids, or any "kids on the beach" (like they were sunbathing there) were purposefully targeted?
I can only think malice.

Or that a target has to have armed soldiers/militia present with guns ablaze?
Does that change the target's legitimacy?

According to Ibrahim Barzak & Daneil Estrin (both @ Associated Press) -
A witness who identified himself only as Abu Ahmed said the boys were scavenging for scrap metal when a first shell hit a nearby shipping container used in the past by Hamas security forces. He said the boys fled but a rocket "hit all of them."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...0EsafRC4smc.99

Wrong place wrong time - not deliberate targeting.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Hamas fires those weak rockets to make themselves feel good by being "tough". I don't believe for a second that their intention is to provoke Israel into bombing Gaza, their own families live there and are sometimes the target for retaliation.

Hamas fires those 'weak' rockets only for Israel to fire back and have civilians killed. The goal of Hamas (IMO) is not to do anything good for the Palestinians, it is to keep them in bad conditions to vilify Israel. As long as Israel is the go to bad guy, the Monarchies and dictatorships don't seem evil anymore. People are treated poorly across the middle east due to Israel, the big bad guy in the region.

While there is so much death and destruction in the region, no one can be worse than Israel. Egypt is bang on, Hamas is the bad one and those funding them need to get shut down.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

According to Ibrahim Barzak & Daneil Estrin (both @ Associated Press) -
A witness who identified himself only as Abu Ahmed said the boys were scavenging for scrap metal when a first shell hit a nearby shipping container used in the past by Hamas security forces. He said the boys fled but a rocket "hit all of them."
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...0EsafRC4smc.99

Wrong place wrong time - not deliberate targeting.

Your points won't mean much, it does not fit the 'Israel is as bad as Hamas' narrative. Like many other events, this is a sad story.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Hamas fires those 'weak' rockets only for Israel to fire back and have civilians killed. The goal of Hamas (IMO) is not to do anything good for the Palestinians, it is to keep them in bad conditions to vilify Israel. As long as Israel is the go to bad guy, the Monarchies and dictatorships don't seem evil anymore. People are treated poorly across the middle east due to Israel, the big bad guy in the region.

While there is so much death and destruction in the region, no one can be worse than Israel. Egypt is bang on, Hamas is the bad one and those funding them need to get shut down.

Like I said before, I don't think they would put their own wives/children at risk just to make a point. How many rockets were they firing a month ago, 2 months ago? Why did they just start after Israel with no proof started arresting hundreds of people after the death of 3 Israeli teens?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Like I said before, I don't think they would put their own wives/children at risk just to make a point. How many rockets were they firing a month ago, 2 months ago? Why did they just start after Israel with no proof started arresting hundreds of people after the death of 3 Israeli teens?

They have been firing rockets for months. Was this serious? Where are you getting your facts from?

What you said is not true.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Like I said before, I don't think they would put their own wives/children at risk just to make a point. How many rockets were they firing a month ago, 2 months ago? Why did they just start after Israel with no proof started arresting hundreds of people after the death of 3 Israeli teens?

You have no idea what evidence Israel has.

Either way, what you're describing sounds exactly like making a point. Israel wrongs us, so let's pointlessly fire rockets at them to prove how defiant we are.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

They have been firing rockets for months. Was this serious? Where are you getting your facts from?

What you said is not true.

Nope. After the unity gov't agreement between Fatah and hamas, which I think was in April, there were only a handful of rockets fired (by other groups). Then israel started its usual mass arrests and the rockets started again.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Nobody was firing from that beach and kids still ended up dead. Israel purposely targets civilians just like Hamas does.

No, they don't.

[lanny9]

Israel does it's best not to create civilian casualties, they use what are called by some, knock knock bombings, they send in a small bomb that does no damage but let's people know a bigger one is on its way and that civilians should get out if the building. They also have dropped leaflets for years warning of bombings or land assaults.

Both sides are to blame in this conflict, that there is no doubt, but to say Israel targets kids is just wrong. The kids were there, wrong place at the wrong time, Hamas will spin it like they were targeted but they were not the target rest assured. Hamas is known to use human shields, in fact have sent civilians into buildings after a knock knock bomb has gone off thus allowing them to use civilian casualties for their propaganda and recruiting needs.

[Arya Stark]

Watch the videos of these "knock knock bombings" They give the people about one minute to flee from when the initial bomb is hit.

Israel does purposely target buildings where they know civilians are residing. So to me they do purposely kill civilians. Over 70% of the deaths so far have been civilians.

Don't get me wrong, Hamas needs to be wiped out but that doesn't excuse Israeli war tactics. It's shameful.