The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[nik-]

You know, I hate to just blame a breed and am more likely to blame the owner ... but geez. The poodle that was killed after the dogs were socializing and it just went off, that's scary stuff.

I've long been against a breed ban ... but I've moved to neutral on it.

[wretched34]

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...ot-in-the-head

http://www.dogheirs.com/elleng/posts...rmed-intruders

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...rince-of-a-dog

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...baby-from-home

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...m-home-invader

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

Sure, you hear a lot about Pitbull attacks, because the media loves to sensationalize them, and make them look like the bad guys. Go find a family (with kids) or a responsible owner, who owns a pitbull, and ask them how they feel about the breeds.
Ignorance is bliss, and one can stand and fight forever if they never see the other side, much like the protestors at the stampede.
Find me stories about other breeds being as loyal and protective of their families (children especially), and I will happily hear you out, but I highly doubt you're gonna find many stories about Chihuahuas and ####zu's chasing off armed invaders, or taking a bullet to keep a sleeping infant safe.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by nik-

You know, I hate to just blame a breed and am more likely to blame the owner ... but geez. The poodle that was killed after the dogs were socializing and it just went off, that's scary stuff.

I've long been against a breed ban ... but I've moved to neutral on it.

More often than not, it's the small breeds that provoke attacks, read my earlier story. My 85lb Bulldogge (classified as a pitbull in many countries) has been attacked by small breeds numerous times at the park, he has never retaliated, but honestly, I wouldn't be mad at him if he did. It's like your kid being bullied at school, would you not want them to stand up for themselves? Small breed owners are the worst for not training their dogs, because they just figure "my dogs small, it's harmless", which I think is ridiculous. If your 6 pound Chihuahua is dumb enough to attack my 85lb Bulldogge, don't get upset when your Chihuahua gets attacked back, take responsibility for your animals, no matter the size.

[taco.vidal]

What if a child runs from its parents towards your dog and the dog attacks as it would the Chihuahua in your example? Blame the child and the parent for the dog maiming or killing the child?

Originally Posted by wretched34

More often than not, it's the small breeds that provoke attacks, read my earlier story. My 85lb Bulldogge (classified as a pitbull in many countries) has been attacked by small breeds numerous times at the park, he has never retaliated, but honestly, I wouldn't be mad at him if he did. It's like your kid being bullied at school, would you not want them to stand up for themselves? Small breed owners are the worst for not training their dogs, because they just figure "my dogs small, it's harmless", which I think is ridiculous. If your 6 pound Chihuahua is dumb enough to attack my 85lb Bulldogge, don't get upset when your Chihuahua gets attacked back, take responsibility for your animals, no matter the size.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Ah another dumb photo showing a cute scene of a pit bull.
The truth is more like this.

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspo...-revealed.html

Have you seen where this man gets info from??? I read a few of his stories and looked at his reference list on them. He's not credible. Wikipedia ,imdb and other small bloggers.I saw that before you posted it.

I used the examiner just because I didn't want to post all the pics.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by wretched34

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...ot-in-the-head

http://www.dogheirs.com/elleng/posts...rmed-intruders

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...rince-of-a-dog

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...baby-from-home

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...m-home-invader

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

Sure, you hear a lot about Pitbull attacks, because the media loves to sensationalize them, and make them look like the bad guys. Go find a family (with kids) or a responsible owner, who owns a pitbull, and ask them how they feel about the breeds.
Ignorance is bliss, and one can stand and fight forever if they never see the other side, much like the protestors at the stampede.
Find me stories about other breeds being as loyal and protective of their families (children especially), and I will happily hear you out, but I highly doubt you're gonna find many stories about Chihuahuas and ####zu's chasing off armed invaders, or taking a bullet to keep a sleeping infant safe.

Almost as unusual as hearing stories about pitbulls taking bullets for babies?

Sorry, dude. I really hate to get all dog racist here, but the problem with the pitbull type (and IDGAF about staffordshire or american or whatever the hell it is) is that some of them have this alarming tendency to rip a persons face off for no reason.

One minute they're cool, the next minute 911 is on the phone. That's not cool. It's like playing with a grenade. Probably not gonna explode, but it could. And if that happens, it could be lethal. Other dogs are like firecrackers. Could explode, but probably not going to kill or permanently disfigure some kid that was just trying to pet him or grab a ball to throw it.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

What if a child runs from its parents towards your dog and the dog attacks as it would the Chihuahua in your example? Blame the child and the parent for the dog maiming or killing the child?

No, in that scenario, the dog, and owners are absolutely to blame, I will never defend any breed against that. However, if a Pitbull is well trained, it is no more likely to attack a child then any other breed, in fact, I am willing to bet a small breed would be more likely to defend itself in that situation than a trained large breed, as they would feel more threatened. My dog for example, loves children, and when he sees one coming towards him, will sit or lay down and wait for the child to approach and seek nothing but attention and affection. It all comes down to ownership and training. Unfortunately, there is no debate in the fact that Pitbulls are more commonly owned by idiots than any other breed, for the sheer persona of owning a tough dog.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by wretched34

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...ot-in-the-head

http://www.dogheirs.com/elleng/posts...rmed-intruders

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...rince-of-a-dog

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...baby-from-home

http://www.dogheirs.com/tamara/posts...m-home-invader

http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

Sure, you hear a lot about Pitbull attacks, because the media loves to sensationalize them, and make them look like the bad guys. Go find a family (with kids) or a responsible owner, who owns a pitbull, and ask them how they feel about the breeds.
Ignorance is bliss, and one can stand and fight forever if they never see the other side, much like the protestors at the stampede.
Find me stories about other breeds being as loyal and protective of their families (children especially), and I will happily hear you out, but I highly doubt you're gonna find many stories about Chihuahuas and ####zu's chasing off armed invaders, or taking a bullet to keep a sleeping infant safe.

So basically owning a pitbull is closer to owning a weapon than owning a pet? That seems to be what you are saying.
If the basis of your argument is that if a pitbull has a responsible owner then everything is hunky-dorey well - I just don't care because there is no way to ensure that all owners of pitbulls ARE responsible.

Ban the breed already.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Ah another dumb photo showing a cute scene of a pit bull.
The truth is more like this.

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspo...-revealed.html

http://moderndogmagazine.com/article...it-bulls/17294


"Accordimg to the Temperament Testing Association, the Golden Retriever, Poodle, Border Collie, English Setter, and numerous other breeds are considered more likely to become aggressive than the breeds commonly referred to as Pit Bulls. While the average score of the 231 breeds tested was a mere 82.4 percent, Pit Bulls scored a 86.5 percent (the higher the score the better)."

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Almost as unusual as hearing stories about pitbulls taking bullets for babies?

Sorry, dude. I really hate to get all dog racist here, but the problem with the pitbull type (and IDGAF about staffordshire or american or whatever the hell it is) is that some of them have this alarming tendency to rip a persons face off for no reason.

One minute they're cool, the next minute 911 is on the phone. That's not cool. It's like playing with a grenade. Probably not gonna explode, but it could. And if that happens, it could be lethal. Other dogs are like firecrackers. Could explode, but probably not going to kill or permanently disfigure some kid that was just trying to pet him or grab a ball to throw it.

Yes, some pitbulls have an alarming tendency to rip a persons face off, but that's no different than any other breed, it all comes down to the owners and training provided. Your next paragraph is exactly right. The issue arises because Pitbulls are much stronger than most breeds, but is it really fair to blame a pitbull for being built differently? That's like blaming a guy who's 6'5" 220lb for being stronger than a woman who is 5'2' 110lbs. Is that man more dangerous than the woman, because the one time he attacks he causes serious injury, rather than the minor injury the petite woman causes even if she attacks on a more frequent basis?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

http://moderndogmagazine.com/article...it-bulls/17294


"Accordimg to the Temperament Testing Association, the Golden Retriever, Poodle, Border Collie, English Setter, and numerous other breeds are considered more likely to become aggressive than the breeds commonly referred to as Pit Bulls. While the average score of the 231 breeds tested was a mere 82.4 percent, Pit Bulls scored a 86.5 percent (the higher the score the better)."

and what are the comparative consequences and results?

[Vulcan]

That's like blaming a guy who's 6'5" 220lb for being stronger than a woman who is 5'2' 110lbs.

Lets see now, which would I rather have as a pet?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by wretched34

Yes, some pitbulls have an alarming tendency to rip a persons face off, but that's no different than any other breed, it all comes down to the owners and training provided. Your next paragraph is exactly right. The issue arises because Pitbulls are much stronger than most breeds, but is it really fair to blame a pitbull for being built differently? That's like blaming a guy who's 6'5" 220lb for being stronger than a woman who is 5'2' 110lbs. Is that man more dangerous than the woman, because the one time he attacks he causes serious injury, rather than the minor injury the petite woman causes even if she attacks on a more frequent basis?

No, it's not like that at all. People and dogs are not the same. The only thing in common is that people can be responsible for both situations, whereas a dog can never train a person to be a violent face ripper.

What I'm really not getting is why people are so attached to the breed. I can understand being attached to their actual dogs, but for the sake of argument, grandfathering a ban over the next 15 years... Would that be so bad?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

So basically owning a pitbull is closer to owning a weapon than owning a pet? That seems to be what you are saying.
If the basis of your argument is that if a pitbull has a responsible owner then everything is hunky-dorey well - I just don't care because there is no way to ensure that all owners of pitbulls ARE responsible.

Ban the breed already.

Their is no way to make sure ANY dog owner is responsible. If you banning a breed is not going to stop people from using a dog as perfection. You ban them people will use rotties and dobermans. Then you ban them the will use German Shepherds. I hate German Shepherds because I've been attacked 3 times by them. Once last Month by a Neighbor's.
There will just be another breed to replace a breed you ban. If there's a need for a Protective dog . Like I said earlier Dalmatians are on the top ten list for most dangerous. They have a HUGE prey drive . They kill other animals and attack children but, because Disney made a cute little show They are seen as adorable. My mom had to put ours down as a kid because it tried to kill me.


I'm netreul on the breed banning issue but I have owned one and he was great. He loved my brothers kid. If your going to ban one then all big dogs should be. One breed will just replace the other for protection.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

So basically owning a pitbull is closer to owning a weapon than owning a pet? That seems to be what you are saying.
If the basis of your argument is that if a pitbull has a responsible owner then everything is hunky-dorey well - I just don't care because there is no way to ensure that all owners of pitbulls ARE responsible.

Ban the breed already.

No, owning a Pitbull is owning a pet, that will provide affection and protection. It should never be used as a weapon, but it has an instinct to protect it's family. Which in my eyes is an admirable trait in both humans, and animals. I feel far more comfortable going to bed at night knowing that I have a line of defense in my home. I don't understand why a man that beats a home invader to death is a hero, but a pitbull that attacks a home invader is a threat?

If your stance against pitbulls is that there's no way to ensure the owners are responsible, than all dogs should be banned, because all dogs are capable of attacking. I've personally been attacked several times, and all but one attack was by small breeds, Miniature Pinscher, toy poodle, ####zu, and a maltese. The one large breed was a German Shepard Akita cross, so based on my personal experience, I should be out trying to ban those breeds. In reality, the issue with all of them, was lack of training.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by wretched34

No, owning a Pitbull is owning a pet, that will provide affection and protection. It should never be used as a weapon, but it has an instinct to protect it's family. Which in my eyes is an admirable trait in both humans, and animals. I feel far more comfortable going to bed at night knowing that I have a line of defense in my home. I don't understand why a man that beats a home invader to death is a hero, but a pitbull that attacks a home invader is a threat?

If your stance against pitbulls is that there's no way to ensure the owners are responsible, than all dogs should be banned, because all dogs are capable of attacking. I've personally been attacked several times, and all but one attack was by small breeds, Miniature Pinscher, toy poodle, ####zu, and a maltese. The one large breed was a German Shepard Akita cross, so based on my personal experience, I should be out trying to ban those breeds. In reality, the issue with all of them, was lack of training.

and are you all torn up or almost dead?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by nik-

and what are the comparative consequences and results?

The whole list . shows how many tested, how many pasted and how many failed. Different Collie's and sherpeards are 50%
http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

[4X4]

Originally Posted by wretched34

No, owning a Pitbull is owning a pet, that will provide affection and protection. It should never be used as a weapon, but it has an instinct to protect it's family. Which in my eyes is an admirable trait in both humans, and animals. I feel far more comfortable going to bed at night knowing that I have a line of defense in my home. I don't understand why a man that beats a home invader to death is a hero, but a pitbull that attacks a home invader is a threat?

If your stance against pitbulls is that there's no way to ensure the owners are responsible, than all dogs should be banned, because all dogs are capable of attacking. I've personally been attacked several times, and all but one attack was by small breeds, Miniature Pinscher, toy poodle, ####zu, and a maltese. The one large breed was a German Shepard Akita cross, so based on my personal experience, I should be out trying to ban those breeds. In reality, the issue with all of them, was lack of training.

Pretty sure the reason people are getting pissed off about these dogs is that they are attacking other dogs at dog parks, and ripping off kids' faces arbitrarily.

Get your head out of the sand.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by 4X4

No, it's not like that at all. People and dogs are not the same. The only thing in common is that people can be responsible for both situations, whereas a dog can never train a person to be a violent face ripper.

What I'm really not getting is why people are so attached to the breed. I can understand being attached to their actual dogs, but for the sake of argument, grandfathering a ban over the next 15 years... Would that be so bad?

People are attached to the breed because that can be an amazing pet/companion/family member. Banning them because some people misuse them would solve nothing, as Combustiblefuel pointed out, those same idiot owners will just replace them with another breed capable of causing the same damage.
As for your first paragraph, I'm not sure what you're getting at, no dog is just born a violent face ripper, it is entirely the human owner that trains it to be that way.....

[nik-]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The whole list .
http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

I want to know beyond the numbers of aggressive incidents. I'd be curious to see the comparisons of results in pitbull attacks, compared to Golden Retriever attacks, compared to poodle attacks, compared to others.

If a poodle or miniature variant is more likely to be aggressive than a pitbull, that sounds all fine and good on the surface, but what is the comparative damage? Does a golden retriever incident involve a bad bite and nothing further? This is more than just sheer temperament percentages.