Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

[nik-]

Bush ... and 9/11 ... and Obama ... Benghazi ... and Waterboarding ... and Putin

[Wastedyouth]

Watching CNN in the airport in Dubai. What a clownshow.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by saskflames69

Ukraine doesn't have anti-aircraft missile launchers because the separatists don't have planes.

Huh?

The Ukraine's certainly do including the Buk system among a lot of other medium to long range anti-aircraft systems.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

Nailed me with semantics you did, my whole point has crumbled beneath my feet.

Semantics? So firing missiles into Russia is the same thing as firing missiles at terrorists in the Ukraine who Russia sympathizes with?

It's not the same thing...which is why I called you on it. You can't go around attacking people about what they post when they didn't post it!

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Smart move. Clean up the site of all evidence of your involvement, then bring in the investigators. Can't say they aren't slick.

No doubt they will offer after they have gone through it lol, but will they be able to clean up the evidence of a blast? Will there be parts missing when the investigators get there?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by lanny9

No doubt they will offer after they have gone through it lol, but will they be able to clean up the evidence of a blast? Will there be parts missing when the investigators get there?

Yes any missile parts, any parts of the plane with ballistic damage,

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yes any missile parts, any parts of the plane with ballistic damage,

That's what I was thinking, like how they find missile parts from Iran in Israel, Iraq etc. Hopefully they can track this thing and bring someone to justice.

[nik-]

Yeah ... they'll definitely remove those portions. However, in the end they'll pretty much implicate themselves when they reconstruct the plane and there is an area missing and the international question invariably turns into

"So where is this part, and why would they have not turned it over?"

If they did it, they're screwed either way.

[J79]

Originally Posted by J79

If i may interrupt a rather distasteful "discussion"

Currently there is a press conference underway on Schiphol airport.
Speakers: Huib Gorter (Malaysia Airlines) Jos Nijhuis (Schiphol)

Key notes: (agian, excuse my English)

- (HG) Contact lost 2:15 p.m. (CET)

- (HG) The victims have the following nationalties:

154 Dutch citizens
27 Australian citizens
23 Malaysian citizens
11 indonesian citezens
6 citizens from the UK
4 German citezens
4 Belgian citizens
3 Philipines citizens
1 Canadian citizen.

47 victims still unknown nationality.

- (HG) passenger list is available, not to public yet.

- (HG) do not want to speculate about what exactly happened.

Clearly this is the wrong place for this serious matter.

Please continue the childish behaviour... maybe add another 'funny' picture.

I'm done and apologize for the inconvenience.

[AltaGuy]

Just a matter of time before Putin suggests Russia would be uniquely qualified to conduct the investigation.

[vegasbound]

Originally Posted by J79

If i may interrupt a rather distasteful "discussion"

154 Dutch citizens
27 Australian citizens
23 Malaysian citizens
11 indonesian citezens
6 citizens from the UK
4 German citezens
4 Belgian citizens
3 Philipines citizens
1 Canadian citizen.

47 victims still unknown nationality.

- (HG) passenger list is available, not to public yet.

- (HG) do not want to speculate about what exactly happened.

Thanks for the highlights. I'm wondering what the Dutch decide to do about this, considering they had the most passengers aboard and a Dutch airline number attached.

It sounds like everybody else (the Separatists, Russians, etc) are playing the game of pass the hot potato on who didn't do it.

[cDnStealth]

Reel it in people.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by J79

Clearly this is the wrong place for this serious matter.

Please continue the childish behaviour... maybe add another 'funny' picture.

I'm done and apologize for the inconvenience.

Please don't go, your views are appreciated here. I think this matter deserves a proper discussion be it from one side or the other.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by J79

Clearly this is the wrong place for this serious matter.

Please continue the childish behaviour... maybe add another 'funny' picture.

I'm done and apologize for the inconvenience.

Ignore the childish behavior, we appreciate your contributions. No one is making light of the tragedy, instead arguing over idiotic political nonsense.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah ... they'll definitely remove those portions. However, in the end they'll pretty much implicate themselves when they reconstruct the plane and there is an area missing and the international question invariably turns into

"So where is this part, and why would they have not turned it over?"

If they did it, they're screwed either way.

We don't know, it wasn't at the crash site, maybe it fell off of the plane and could be anywhere.

IF the CIA has a radar track of the missile launch and the detonation, they can track troop movements if they had a satellite watching the area.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah ... they'll definitely remove those portions. However, in the end they'll pretty much implicate themselves when they reconstruct the plane and there is an area missing and the international question invariably turns into

"So where is this part, and why would they have not turned it over?"

If they did it, they're screwed either way.

Nobody would ask where a missing part of a disintegrated plane was. Most parts will be missing regardless of interference I would imagine. I'm no expert though, so maybe I'm mistaken

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by vegasbound

Thanks for the highlights. I'm wondering what the Dutch decide to do about this, considering they had the most passengers aboard and a Dutch airline number attached.

It sounds like everybody else (the Separatists, Russians, etc) are playing the game of pass the hot potato on who didn't do it.

I think we will find that many of the other 47 people will be US and UK citizens. This will not be good for Russia and the rebels imo as they are alienating themselves from the rest of the world.

[nik-]

They absolutely ask where missing parts are. It doesn't mean they always find them, but considering the circumstances, if there are significant missing portions, people are going to have extra scrutiny.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by lanny9

That's what I was thinking, like how they find missile parts from Iran in Israel, Iraq etc. Hopefully they can track this thing and bring someone to justice.

No one is going to be brought to justice, the plane flew over a combat zone and was shot down. There will be no more justice here than to the 4 boys shelled on the Beach in Gaza playing football.

It's a sad day and a terrible tragedy, but I don't think we should hold out hope that anyone will be punished for this.

Prayers to the people who died, they had nothing to do with the conflict, but neither do most civilian casualties.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by vegasbound

Thanks for the highlights. I'm wondering what the Dutch decide to do about this, considering they had the most passengers aboard and a Dutch airline number attached.

It sounds like everybody else (the Separatists, Russians, etc) are playing the game of pass the hot potato on who didn't do it.

Not sure there is much they can do