The message, leaked to the Ottawa Citizen, also noted that Norman was appointing a senior officer to look at what is behind recent incidents involving the breakdown of professional and personal conduct in the navy.
I can't recall recall reading other stories, but it is possible that there are ongoing issues, burn out. Are supports trades still cross service posted?
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The other involved the arrest of a Canadian sailor by U.S. police.
Pffft, I don't know one person that served in the Forces that hasn't been arrested, just means you are enjoying your leave.
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I can't recall recall reading other stories, but it is possible that there are ongoing issues, burn out. Are supports trades still cross service posted?
Pffft, I don't know one person that served in the Forces that hasn't been arrested, just means you are enjoying your leave.
I would say that its more then a minor affair when the boat is pulled out of a major international exercise. It means it goes way beyond on board supplementary discipline and more then likely goes to criminal conduct whether its safety related, or something far worse.
This is beyond the point of the old speech (Hey we have a party set up in your honor, why don't you come right on in, these two gentlemen will make sure that you get to the right place, oh and you won't need that beret or that belt why don't you give those to me).
Yeah, getting arrested on leave is always going to happen when your young and stupid and just came out of the field, but it was never pleasant dealing with the consequences of that when you got back to your unit.
I would say that its more then a minor affair when the boat is pulled out of a major international exercise. It means it goes way beyond on board supplementary discipline and more then likely goes to criminal conduct whether its safety related, or something far worse.
This is beyond the point of the old speech (Hey we have a party set up in your honor, why don't you come right on in, these two gentlemen will make sure that you get to the right place, oh and you won't need that beret or that belt why don't you give those to me).
Yeah, getting arrested on leave is always going to happen when your young and stupid and just came out of the field, but it was never pleasant dealing with the consequences of that when you got back to your unit.
I am not trivializing the issue. I read in another article that the issue that happened on the boat was of a sexual nature. I reckon that is what caused the boat to be called back. I am sure we both agree that once you have sexual impropriety in those deployments all hell breaks loose. If this was reported by the individual that was assaulted (for want of a better word) then that individual has my respect.
I think the arrest is a tag along part of the story and can't see it being the driving force behind the recall.
I am not trivializing the issue. I read in another article that the issue that happened on the boat was of a sexual nature. I reckon that is what caused the boat to be called back. I am sure we both agree that once you have sexual impropriety in those deployments all hell breaks loose. If this was reported by the individual that was assaulted (for want of a better word) then that individual has my respect.
I think the arrest is a tag along part of the story and can't see it being the driving force behind the recall.
As a serious question, what do they consider sexual impropriety? Obviously if it's sexual assault or rape, you need to drop the hammer, but do they consider a bunch of people sleeping around a serious detriment as well?
As a serious question, what do they consider sexual impropriety? Obviously if it's sexual assault or rape, you need to drop the hammer, but do they consider a bunch of people sleeping around a serious detriment as well?
In everyday life, I don't have a problem with people sleeping around, per se.
But on a military ship, with cramped confines in the middle of the ocean, then yes I do.
Hell, when I was in Yugo in the 90's we had a husband and wife on our tour. They were not allowed to bang when in theatre.
I am not trivializing the issue. I read in another article that the issue that happened on the boat was of a sexual nature. I reckon that is what caused the boat to be called back. I am sure we both agree that once you have sexual impropriety in those deployments all hell breaks loose. If this was reported by the individual that was assaulted (for want of a better word) then that individual has my respect.
I think the arrest is a tag along part of the story and can't see it being the driving force behind the recall.
Sexual impropriety is a big deal on any deployment, it was tough enough to get woman on line ships.
I don't know if I can see that as being a reason to pull a ship out of a exercise duty though unless it was rampant and was causing the ship to not be able to fulfil its duty.
There are only so many reasons to pull a ship out of duty like that.
Its an interesting story, this doesn't happen too often. Most of the time the offending members are confined til the end of the exercise unless they are transported out for t some of the more serious things.
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Sexual impropriety is a big deal on any deployment, it was tough enough to get woman on line ships.
I don't know if I can see that as being a reason to pull a ship out of a exercise duty though unless it was rampant and was causing the ship to not be able to fulfil its duty.
There are only so many reasons to pull a ship out of duty like that.
Its an interesting story, this doesn't happen too often. Most of the time the offending members are confined til the end of the exercise unless they are transported out for t some of the more serious things.
That's why I said this quote stood out for me:
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The message, leaked to the Ottawa Citizen, also noted that Norman was appointing a senior officer to look at what is behind recent incidents involving the breakdown of professional and personal conduct in the navy.
Makes you wonder if this has been an ongoing issue for this ship, and this was the last straw, or if it spread across the navy.
wonder why they couldn't just send the offending parties home via alternate method and keep the ship deployed.
It might be a more widespread problem. the Kingston patrol craft are small with a crew of about 45. So if it was either more then one participant so to speak, or it was a crucial crew member it might be unsafe for them to continue.
I'm betting that the Captain of that ship has just seen a crashing end to any seaborne command.
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Canadian Navy recalls ship from international excercise due to misconduct
