Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd1

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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Generally, guys that put up less than a point per game (in the CHL) in their draft years don't turn out to be major point producers in the NHL. Guys that put up well above a point per game (in the CHL) in their draft years generally have a much higher chance of being good point producers at the NHL level. I'm not so sure whats wrong with him saying that?

Because that is not the only factor. There are hundreds of guys that put up over 1 ppg in their CHL draft year... and guys like Lucic that are essential core players that had 19 pts in 62 games their draft year.

Ryan O'Rielly who the Flames wanted for their #1 C had 66 pts in 68 games his draft year.

Pts in your draft year in the CHL (or any year in the CHL) are not the only way to predict success in the NHL.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Pts in your draft year in the CHL (or any year in the CHL) are not the only way to predict success in the NHL.

No it's not, but it is the best predictor of future scoring at the NHL level.

[IliketoPuck]

I'm confused how you can possibly rank Bennett higher than Sven. Sven is a .5 ppg player in the NHL. Bennett hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Until he does, and shows he can succeed, Sven is the superior prospect.

[Monahan23]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I'm confused how you can possibly rank Bennett higher than Sven. Sven is a .5 ppg player in the NHL. Bennett hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Until he does, and shows he can succeed, Sven is the superior prospect.

by that logic Max Reinhart is better than Aaron Ekblad

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I'm confused how you can possibly rank Bennett higher than Sven. Sven is a .5 ppg player in the NHL. Bennett hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Until he does, and shows he can succeed, Sven is the superior prospect.

Bennett is a higher pick. Largely considered a "top end talent". Has unbelievable speed and skill.

We're ranking prospects so i think it should be pretty obvious that most of the guys in the poll havent played in the show yet. Sven having some NHL experience doesnt make him better than someone like Bennett when we are evaluating potential.

[djsFlames]

Sven in the 3-5 range is acceptable and likely accurate.

One of Poirier, Klimchuk, Granlund may surpass him I think. All just keep looking better and better, while Sven has kind of levelled off this past year.

[dying4acup]

You know it's time for round 2 when nobody is discussing Gaudreau vs Bennett anymore.

On with it part-timers!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

You know it's time for round 2 when nobody is discussing Gaudreau vs Bennett anymore.

On with it part-timers!

Pretty sure we can just skip to round 3 and stop patronizing Bennett.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sven in the 3-5 range is acceptable and likely accurate.



One of Poirier, Klimchuk, Granlund may surpass him I think. All just keep looking better and better, while Sven has kind of levelled off this past year.

I don't think Sven levelled off... I think he continued to improve last year... Including his defensive game I think. He was the Heat's best player for the last few months of the season. And he has produced at the NHL level. He has a .47 ppg in the NHL without getting top minutes or powerplay time.

People seem to have really given up on baertschi and I don't know why. Seemed like the majority of us thought he was being treated harshly last year at the beginning of the season compared to lots of other players. Never the less... We accepted that extra development in the AHL could be good for him and that's what he did... Developed his game. He admitted that his confidence was rattled by being sent down but he adopted a positive attitude and had a great second half to the season.

What makes everyone so sure he is so much worse than Reinhart and granlund? I'm glad the flames have lots of guys that are knocking on the door to make the team. But neither of those guys got the pressure from fans and the public criticism from management that baertschi did. He recovered from it and is probably that much stronger of a player now. I would not be surprised to find he's developed a thicker hide to stuff like that from this experience. Remember that his strong work ethic and his love for the game are some of the qualities most attributed to him. He's a great kid and has tons of skill that should find a place on this team. I hope he dominates in preseason and earns that spot back... Followed up by a breakout year in NHL.

[BlackWallStreet]

Guys I hate to say it but,

I think bingo died


R.I.P

[StrykerSteve]

Not everyone makes a point of logging in to CP on the weekend, no worries, Bingo will have round 2 up in the morning.

Spoiler!

He damn well better or there will be internet rage unleashed.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Not everyone makes a point of logging in to CP on the weekend, no worries, Bingo will have round 2 up in the morning.

Bingo isn't "everyone" though. He's the owner!

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I'm confused how you can possibly rank Bennett higher than Sven. Sven is a .5 ppg player in the NHL. Bennett hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Until he does, and shows he can succeed, Sven is the superior prospect.

Because Bennett will be more than that unless his development goes off the rails.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Monahan23

by that logic Max Reinhart is better than Aaron Ekblad

Until he plays in the NHL, yes.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Wait I dunno much about Gilmour but is he really good enough to be ranked above Ortio and Jankowski?

I don't want to turn it into another thread about Jankowski; he was overhyped, but I still think he's at least top 10.

Gilmour is very underrated and generally overlooked. He looked fantastic at the development camp and he's been playing really well at Providence. I might have him a bit high though.

Jankowski would be top 10 on a franchise which wasn't as deep in forward prospects. I still love him as a prospect but he's so far away development-wise and he's far from a sure-thing. If I revised my list I might flip Janko and Gilmour...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Until he plays in the NHL, yes.

Better player? Probably. Better prospect? No chance.

The idea of the poll is pretty clear; we are being asked not to evaluate players' current level of play and merely leave it at that. We are being asked to project what we think it means for the future, and one would be silly to suggest that Ekblad's future is not just a little more bright than Max Reinhart's.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Until he plays in the NHL, yes.

So Max Reinhart is only better than Aaron Ekblad for the next 3 months and then he magically becomes a worse player overnight? Just trying to follow your logic here…

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Until he plays in the NHL, yes.

By this logic, we should trade away our 1st round pick next year right now for any tweener in the NHL at the moment.

[Robbob]

I had no problems picking Gaudreau in the poll even if Bennett was drafted 4th overall. I think they definitely are 1A/1B in our system. The bottom line is Bennett was drafted that high because as an 17/18 year he shows a lot of promise. Gaudreau has really developed into a great player and has shown enough at every level to think he can make it at the next level.

Datsyuk was drafted in the 6th round in his draft year and could arguably be the top player in that draft. Smallish player with wizard hands, high hockey IQ, and all he needed was a little more time to develop (kind of sounds familiar). Everyone once in awhile a high caliber player just isn't ready at 18.

[King Theo]

How long is each round? I am ready to pick Bennett in round 2.