I'm not opposed to the rodeo, but I'm not sure horses like to be rode or worked. When we do a ride, and they know we are turning for home, they walk twice as fast. They want it to be over. Hard to say what they "think".
Domesticated animals were selectively bred to assist us. In exchange they are protected and fed. Part of the deal is they work for us.
LOL seems like there's a lot of people supporting the horse meat industry around here.
Never seen happier horses than those owned by a rancher involved in the chucks. The argument that horses are better off dead, or never born at all, than racing is just ridiculous.
I'm not opposed to the rodeo, but I'm not sure horses like to be rode or worked. When we do a ride, and they know we are turning for home, they walk twice as fast. They want it to be over. Hard to say what they "think".
Domesticated animals were selectively bred to assist us. In exchange they are protected and fed. Part of the deal is they work for us.
It is not necessarily that they want it to be over. Horses have a great homing instinct. On the way out, they are more on edge because they don't necessarily know what is in the bushes and the like. As soon as you turn them around though, they know they are going back home where they will once again be in familiar and safe surroundings.
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It is not necessarily that they want it to be over. Horses have a great homing instinct. On the way out, they are more on edge because they don't necessarily know what is in the bushes and the like. As soon as you turn them around though, they know they are going back home where they will once again be in familiar and safe surroundings.
Thanks, that does make some sense. Sometimes though, they are hard to catch if they think they are going to be rode.
Thanks, that does make some sense. Sometimes though, they are hard to catch if they think they are going to be rode.
And that depends a lot on the training put into the horse. It can also depend on how often the horse is ridden. Some horses though will have a personality like that, just like some people are contrary to others.
Anyone could walk up to our horses in the pasture and put a halter on them.
For calf roping and steer wrestling I think the arguement against is stronger as these animals are still just going to get eaten later. But how much pain is being inflicted on the animals during this time. One test might be do animals after being in rodeo change their behaviour towards humans. Are they fearful going into the shoot? If yes then it might be cruel, if know than the animals dont know the difference.
Calf roping and steer wrestling are based on catching the animal in order to give it proper veterinary care. The event is just as cruel as a theoretical event based on dragging your cat out from under the couch in order to go to the vet. If your cat knows it's going to the vet, won't it's behavior change as well?
Calf roping and steer wrestling are based on catching the animal in order to give it proper veterinary care. The event is just as cruel as a theoretical event based on dragging your cat out from under the couch in order to go to the vet. If your cat knows it's going to the vet, won't it's behavior change as well?
Just to play devil's advocate here:
I think if you were dragging your cat out from under the couch routinely without the necessary vet treatments, some might think you're just being cruel.
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I dont get how chucks are what is protested. They extend the lives of already existing horses.
The bull and bronc riding is much more cruel in the way they get the animals to buck.
If you used the standard of you can only do the activity if humans would do it than chucks would be okay. Humans participate willingly in all kinds of racing sports in which people are injured and die. Now some might argue that horses dont have a choice but they also dont have the ability to choose. And from all apearances these horses enjoy running.
So I fully support the chucks, the bulls and broncs I think is cruel.
Your first sentence, in support of chucks, due to the sport extending lives of already existing horses, how is that not a defense for Bucking horses? Many bucking horses were originally bred as Race horses, but were to rambunctious, and preferred to buck their jockeys, rather than run flat. They also come from farms, where the horses were meant to be work horses, or pets, but again, were to unruly to be tamed or trained to stay calm. If anything, bucking horses are the ones that benefit the greatest from rodeo, as they would surely just be put down well before their time, since they "are no good" for anything else, from there, bucking horses are also bred, just like any other breed for a specific job.
As for the cruelty of "making" them buck, what is it you are referring too?? The flank strap? the thin piece of padded leather that causes absolutely no pain, and is simply a trigger to start doing what they love to do, no different than the starting pistol used in athletic events for humans? The closest resemblance to discomfort caused by a flank strap is a tickle, and as previously noted, these horses are not "made" to buck, they love to buck, just like race horses, and chuck horses love to run. Just like humans, animals enjoy different things too, a bucking horse is to a race horse, what a hurdler is to a sprinter.
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I think if you were dragging your cat out from under the couch routinely without the necessary vet treatments, some might think you're just being cruel.
But it's not so much about how many times the animal gets pulled out of the couch, to stretch the analogy, it's about which cowboy is best at pulling cats out from under the couch, and how to reinforce positive behaviours amongst cowboys. In calf roping, the cowboys are penalized pretty heavily for unnecessarily jerking the calf to the point of the animals feet leaving the ground - much like my hypothetical cat wrangler getting docked points for pulling on the tail.
This discussion was going to happen anyway. Either because The Vancouver Humane Society continues to believe its own backyard is perfect and would have placed another newspaper ad, or because people might walk by the same four protesters (plus their children that they force to take part) who hold up signs outside the Vic Park LRT like they have the last few years.
These two idiots literally did nothing to advance their cause. But they made themselves famous. Huzzah, I suppose.
How can you say that on the tenth page of a thread that has been viewed over 10000 times? The discussion may not have gone in the direction they hoped, but you can't deny that their actions sparked a conversation here. That most likely happened on a smaller scale several thousand time throughout the city as people discuss it over a beer or the proverbial water cooler.
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I thought they strapped the bull's balls during the bull riding.
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It's a leather and sheepskin strap they tie around the 'waist' (so close to their balls, but any touching of them is not intentional).
If it were a sharp pain the horse would bolt before bucking which isn't good for rodeo so it is meant to be more like being tickled than pain.
So while the animal is being purposefully made uncomfortable, it isn't as cruel as strapping around their balls.
Just what he said. Lots of people seem to think they are tying to their balls. Heck, I thought the same thing until very recently. I assume that is what GGG was talking about when he mentioned cruelty with the bucking events.
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Just what he said. Lots of people seem to think they are tying to their balls. Heck, I thought the same thing until very recently. I assume that is what GGG was talking about when he mentioned cruelty with the bucking events.
And just to add, the reason some horses are good bronc horses and others aren't is because some just aren't bothered by the strap so they don't try to buck it off (and some just get used to it).
However what could be considered cruel is how the horses get branded when they're young (before they can be properly assessed as rodeo horses) which pretty well means they either "make the show" or are doomed for slaughter due to the desire to keep the 'CS' brand as elite as possible. Why they're branded so early I'm not really sure, but because of it they aren't sold if they're not up to Stampede rodeo grade. Don't want any sub-par horses with the CS brand on them out there.
Just what he said. Lots of people seem to think they are tying to their balls. Heck, I thought the same thing until very recently. I assume that is what GGG was talking about when he mentioned cruelty with the bucking events.
I knew they didnt cynch the balls but I had thought the flank strap was designed to cause pain to iniiate the bucking. If not that is just my own ignorance.
I dont think the saving horses from the slaughter house applies as I have thought that bucking stock are bred for it and the top animals are worth a lot as breeders. Again if this is not true let me know.
The closest resemblance to discomfort caused by a flank strap is a tickle, and as previously noted, these horses are not "made" to buck, they love to buck
If they love to buck so much, why is this "tickling" apparatus necessary?
Do bucking horses pretty much buck all the time? You know, like when they are out there in the stable or or in the pasture or whatever? Do they jump around just for the hell of it, and because they like it so much? Or do they just tend to buck when someone ties the tickle strap around them, and then a person sits on their back?
I saw one yesterday on the TV, a grey horse, and he didn't seem all that interested in bucking at all and stayed right there in the stall, and one of the cowboys gave him a slap in the face and there was some shouting and whatnot, and then he got to doing what he loves best.
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