Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by smoothpops

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...rence/1.601112

Despite what they may side, neither side in this conflict wants peace. There's absolutely no justification for choosing either side, and turning a blind eye to their misdeeds.

Your article makes it pretty clear that there is one side that has been wronged more than the other.

"The Palestinians have made more than one mistake, but their mistakes are marginal. Basic justice is on their side, and basic rejectionism is the Israelis’ purview. The Israelis want occupation, not peace."

[smoothpops]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Your article makes it pretty clear that there is one side that has been wronged more than the other.

"The Palestinians have made more than one mistake, but their mistakes are marginal. Basic justice is on their side, and basic rejectionism is the Israelis’ purview. The Israelis want occupation, not peace."

Personally, i think that the Palestinian mistakes can't be so easily glanced over. In addition to the Israelis, Palestinians have done their fair share to (needlessly) prolong this conflict. I could have just as easily found an article written by a Palestinian, in Palestine that could shed light on their lack of motivation for peace.

[_Q_]

15 year old Palestinian-American beaten half to death by the "most just military in the world"

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local...rael/12238105/

Beacon of what is right in the Middle East indeed.

[Azure]

Is that your attempt at trying to dig yourself out of the hole you're in?

[redforever]

Originally Posted by _Q_

15 year old Palestinian-American beaten half to death by the "most just military in the world"

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local...rael/12238105/

Beacon of what is right in the Middle East indeed.

And Israel has arrested 6 suspects in the killing.

Israel arrested six Jewish suspects Sunday in the grisly slaying of a Palestinian teenager who was abducted and burned alive last week — a crime that set off a wave of violent protests in Arab sections of the country.

Leaders of the Jewish state appealed for calm amid signs the death was revenge for the recent killings of three Israeli teenagers.

"We will not allow extremists, it doesn't matter from which side, to inflame the region and cause bloodshed," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a nationally televised statement. "Murder is murder, incitement is incitement, and we will respond aggressively to both."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jewish-...dair-1.2697920

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Azure

Is that your attempt at trying to dig yourself out of the hole you're in?

Nope, just pointing out facts.

Originally Posted by redforever

And Israel has arrested 6 suspects in the killing.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jewish-...dair-1.2697920

Cool. They also beat the crap out of his cousin, as shown in my link.

[oilyfan]

How people has Hamas arrested connected to the Israeli teenager deaths?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

How people has Hamas arrested connected to the Israeli teenager deaths?

Why should "the most just military in the world" be compared to a terrorist organization?

How about this? The 6 Israelis arrested were part of a Jewish terrorist organization. I'd like to see if the IDF will treat these guys the same way they treat Hamas. Will they send out Apache helicopters to bomb their neighborhoods, assassinate their leadership group and bulldoze their family homes?

[Azure]

Why are we talking about the Israeli military? Wouldn't the case in question be a police matter?

Again, you're just trying to dig yourself out of a hole. Its hard to be objective if people/countries/organizations fail in your eyes before they even do anything.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why are we talking about the Israeli military? Wouldn't the case in question be a police matter?

Again, you're just trying to dig yourself out of a hole. Its hard to be objective if people/countries/organizations fail in your eyes before they even do anything.

Read the article. A 15 year old Palestinian kid (the cousin of the boy murdered earlier) was beaten half to death by the IDF, detained, put on house arrest and fined about $3000.

This happens all the time, the only reason we hear about this is because he's an American citizen.

[Azure]

My point was that regardless of what Israel would have done they would have failed in your eyes because in your mind there is nothing good about Israel.

If the IDF committed an atrocity, I suppose the IDF internal police service would deal with it. But that isn't the point I'm making.

You're not being objective at all. Which is ironically the same thing you accuse Israel of doing.

[jayswin]

I find it fascinating watching the extremists on either side in Q and NagaWaza passionately argue on behalf of their side. It's like our own little CP vision in the world of that conflict.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Azure

My point was that regardless of what Israel would have done they would have failed in your eyes because in your mind there is nothing good about Israel.

If the IDF committed an atrocity, I suppose the IDF internal police service would deal with it. But that isn't the point I'm making.

You're not being objective at all. Which is ironically the same thing you accuse Israel of doing.

Meh whatever gay rights, voting rights and all that are good.

But oppressing 3.5 million people because they belong to the wrong religion make it pretty difficult for me to be objective about the good stuff they do.

[Azure]

And yet everyone should turn a blind eye to what Hamas does, or what other terrorist organizations in Palestine do every single day. Something you're ignoring.

The reason the conflict exists in the first place is because both sides think the other side is solely responsible.

At least that is how it started. Now it isn't as simple to fix as you think it is.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Read the article. A 15 year old Palestinian kid (the cousin of the boy murdered earlier) was beaten half to death by the IDF, detained, put on house arrest and fined about $3000.

This happens all the time, the only reason we hear about this is because he's an American citizen.

This kid was also taking part in demonstrations. The incident is also being investigated by the Israeli.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by redforever

This kid was also taking part in demonstrations. The incident is also being investigated by the Israeli.

So taking part in a demonstration = risking an ass kicking by the authorities? I think an arrest would have been what most liberal democracies would have done.

And this kind of crap happens all the time, but doesn't get reported by main stream media. The only reason this has created a #### storm is because the kid is an American citizen. That's probably the only reason why Israel is investigating this as well.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Read the article. A 15 year old Palestinian kid (the cousin of the boy murdered earlier) was beaten half to death by the IDF, detained, put on house arrest and fined about $3000.

Really? He looked like he got a thumping but the report I saw was that he wasn't even hospitalized - had a swollen grill and a shiner but didn't look life threatening.

[Manhattanboy]

As a Jew and a strong supporter of Israel, I am deeply saddened and sickened by the attrocity committed by the extremist youths now held in custody. There can be no excuse for the shocking acts they committed. I know from friends in Israel that the entire country is outraged.

I just wish that the Arab communities, both in Canada and Palestine, would have expressed similar public outrage at the initial kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teens.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Why should "the most just military in the world" be compared to a terrorist organization?

How about this? The 6 Israelis arrested were part of a Jewish terrorist organization. I'd like to see if the IDF will treat these guys the same way they treat Hamas. Will they send out Apache helicopters to bomb their neighborhoods, assassinate their leadership group and bulldoze their family homes?

The IDF can't go in and simply arrest the Palestinian suspects, because they have an entire infrastructure behind them to protect them. These were people being funded by Hamas. They have to go in with Apache helicopters, because Hamas is guarding the operatives.

Until the Palestinian Authority actually asserts the rule of law over its citizens, as opposed to actively funding them, Israel has no choice but to send in the military.

As for the 6 Jewish terrorists, they will stand trial and spend the rest of their lives in jail for murder and belonging to an illegal terrorist organization. It should also be noted that of the 6, some are minors (a word which implies at least 3 or half). I assume that you will equally be supporting the rights of those minors to be set free and escape any kind of detention? Or maybe they have to call their assault a "demonstration" first.

I just don't see how you can look at the way these two elected governments are dealing with this situation and conclude that it's the Israeli one that is being unfair.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I find it fascinating watching the extremists on either side in Q and NagaWaza passionately argue on behalf of their side. It's like our own little CP vision in the world of that conflict.

You are a fool. I have said nothing even close to anything extremist in this thread. If you wouldn't mind, post something 'extremist' I have posted. I side with non violence, but do believe strongly that Israel has a right to defend itself.