You couldn't be wronger (is that a word?). The first two are really good, with the exception of a few hammy scenes (Lois flying with Superman). 3 and IV were bad, really bad, but that's in part because they were made on the cheap and hardly any effort was put into them.
But the first two could easily be considered top ten superhero movies. Richard Donner was a really great director back in the day, so it's not too surprising.
Maybe I am wronger.
I'll rephrase my question:
There are people who think the original Superman movies were good?
And by the responses, my question has been answered.
This article reveals why Aquaman will appear in the Batman vs Superman film, I wouldn't call it a spoiler but who knows.
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Despite the actor'sinsistence that he's not in the upcoming "Batman Vs Superman: Dawn Of Justice," HitFix reports that Jason Momoa ("A Game of Thrones," "Conan") will indeed appear in the film as Aquaman.
Maybe the appearance of Cyborg doesn't mean he will be in the JLA movie, perhaps he will replace the role of Guardian in the Superman story lines/films as a representative of STAR labs and not to appear as though they are copying Captain America's character.
Aquaman appearing shows me that they want to go with a more classic cast for that movie, which means it will be rounded out with The Flash/GL and possibly Martian Manhunter.
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This movie keeps sounding more and more lame. Batman vs. Superman is a sweet idea. Batman vs. Superman with Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Cyborg and all the boring DC heroes I don't care about is just losing it's appeal.
This movie keeps sounding more and more lame. Batman vs. Superman is a sweet idea. Batman vs. Superman with Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Cyborg and all the boring DC heroes I don't care about is just losing it's appeal.
Exactly, DC trying to cram it's entire universe into one movie is going to fail hard, they just don't have nearly as strong of a cast that Marvel does. Aside from Batman I can't think of a single character they have that are as compelling as even some of the minor Marvel characters, they're all just so much better written
Exactly, DC trying to cram it's entire universe into one movie is going to fail hard, they just don't have nearly as strong of a cast that Marvel does. Aside from Batman I can't think of a single character they have that are as compelling as even some of the minor Marvel characters, they're all just so much better written
I don't know if this is necessarily the case. It's that Marvel decided to acutally invest in the development of their minor/2nd tier characters for the big screen, whereas DC has been living off of Superman and Batman for decades are just going to try and shoehorn all their characters into one movie without any sort of character development. Aquaman, Martian Manhunter at the very least both need their own movie to a)quell the stigma of Aquaman and b) to introduce MMH as he is a cool character, but the majority of people don't know who he is. Flash should have his own as should GL, but both of those could probably come after.
But it will just be confusing. So a global threat arises (because apparently Zod trying to turn Earth into Krypton wasn't enough to bring these peeps out of hiding. Wasn't one of the world engines in the ocean? Aquaman could have helped out with that I'm sure) and these people all come together. How do they know each other? What brings them together? What are the character differences that will cause interesting clashes between heroes? None of this stuff will be accounted for.
Maybe they'll play it off like the JL already exists and Superman is just joining now? That still makes no sense in line with Man of Steel.
I think that Zods attack is what will bring these heroes out of the wood work. Part of your speculation is already rumoured. Everyone sits on Marvel like they are gods, outside of Ironman 1 (which was good) and Cap 2 (which was really good) which stand alone Marvel film was actually a good movie? They were all entertaining and I enjoyed them all, but none of them were good movies. If anything they were just proof that at this point any half ass planned solo movie can make you a boat load of money (except one about a green guy in space I guess : ). Why wouldn't WB want to cash in on this? They are trying a new model, just because Marvel did it their way doesn't mean DC can't do it a different way.
If people didn't like Man of Steel then they won't like the rest of these movies as a result and should probably just save their 15 bucks. But you should go back and watch Cap 1, Thor 1 and 2, Ironman 2 and 3, both Hulks and tell me those are good movies, lol.
Doesn't really matter anyway since none of them will be able to compete with what X-Men did.. even if the numbers don't show it.
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But it will just be confusing. So a global threat arises (because apparently Zod trying to turn Earth into Krypton wasn't enough to bring these peeps out of hiding. Wasn't one of the world engines in the ocean? Aquaman could have helped out with that I'm sure) and these people all come together. How do they know each other? What brings them together? What are the character differences that will cause interesting clashes between heroes? None of this stuff will be accounted for.
How? By telling the fish to get out of the way? I'm sure they figured it out...
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This movie was destined to be a stinker the day Affleck was confirmed as Batman. I like George Clooney but he was not Batman and Affleck is probably even worse of a choice. Throw in a bunch of DC heroes that will have no developed story line behind them and you have the looks of a movie that will sacrifice quality for quantity as at least the Avengers characters had their own movies prior to get viewers (not hardcore comic fans) up to speed on their background. It's going to take some masterful writing and directing to keep this movie from being a bomb.
I think that Zods attack is what will bring these heroes out of the wood work. Part of your speculation is already rumoured. Everyone sits on Marvel like they are gods, outside of Ironman 1 (which was good) and Cap 2 (which was really good) which stand alone Marvel film was actually a good movie? They were all entertaining and I enjoyed them all, but none of them were good movies. If anything they were just proof that at this point any half ass planned solo movie can make you a boat load of money (except one about a green guy in space I guess : ). Why wouldn't WB want to cash in on this? They are trying a new model, just because Marvel did it their way doesn't mean DC can't do it a different way.
If people didn't like Man of Steel then they won't like the rest of these movies as a result and should probably just save their 15 bucks. But you should go back and watch Cap 1, Thor 1 and 2, Ironman 2 and 3, both Hulks and tell me those are good movies, lol.
Doesn't really matter anyway since none of them will be able to compete with what X-Men did.. even if the numbers don't show it.
Yeah I agree, but I'm not saying the movies you mentioned were good necessarily. Just that they introduced audiences to the characters and their motivations which helped the Avengers in the sense that they dont have explain who/what Thor and Loki are, why Captain America shows up, etc...
I consider myself a pretty big comic fan bit I would have to look into martian manhunters background for sure and likely flash and Aquaman jsut to see what their actual origins are. Can they cram into one movie? They may not have to but it could disconnect the audience with the characters.
It's like they're expecting the people to just be so excited for JL that they come and pay regardless. Would the Avengers have been as popular without the prior individual films? I doubt it. Most people didn't know who Ironman even was before the 1st movie. Same with Thor. Their expecting me to care about Flash just because, well he's the Flash? I don't think so.
FOr the record I liked Man of Steel and have no problem with Affleck as Batman (at least until I can actually see it, I'm sure he can be a fine Batman, it's Bruce Wayne that I'm not sure about). I just htink they're going about this the wrong way.
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Perhaps a lot of these characters will be more cameo-type roles; I can envision the movie ending with a scene about "maybe we could prevent something like this from happening again if we had an organization where superheroes can meet up and work together" leading to brief introductions of key JLA members. If they're all big roles it looks like way too much to introduce in one movie.
I think that Zods attack is what will bring these heroes out of the wood work. Part of your speculation is already rumoured. Everyone sits on Marvel like they are gods, outside of Ironman 1 (which was good) and Cap 2 (which was really good) which stand alone Marvel film was actually a good movie? They were all entertaining and I enjoyed them all, but none of them were good movies. If anything they were just proof that at this point any half ass planned solo movie can make you a boat load of money (except one about a green guy in space I guess : ). Why wouldn't WB want to cash in on this? They are trying a new model, just because Marvel did it their way doesn't mean DC can't do it a different way.
If people didn't like Man of Steel then they won't like the rest of these movies as a result and should probably just save their 15 bucks. But you should go back and watch Cap 1, Thor 1 and 2, Ironman 2 and 3, both Hulks and tell me those are good movies, lol.
Doesn't really matter anyway since none of them will be able to compete with what X-Men did.. even if the numbers don't show it.
Both Thors and Ed Norton's Hulk were good movies, not great but definitely better than many other superhero movies. And Marvel had the balls to create stand alone movies for their heroes that many people didn't know at all, but DC seems too afraid to give their 2nd tier heroes their own movie with complete backstory (and after the Green Lantern movie I wonder why), so they're throwing them in with the only 2 characters that anyone really cares about hoping it will all somehow come together. It just really comes off looking like Marvel caught them with their pants down and now DC is desperately trying to play catch up with no real plan on how to do it
I disagree, I think that Matty is on to something with his theory. I see the appearance of characters in this movie as cameos, an introduction. A nod to the comic fans and the casual fan will have their interest peaked. I don't think they will be intrical to the story, I believe the story will some how involve Luthor manipulating Batman but all along it was the other way around because Batman is Batman!!! But he had to test Superman first.. to see where his loyalties lie. After Superman can prove he is loyal to earth, they say well hey what about all these other super heros we have heard about, they sound worth exploring. Then from there we see individual movies for characters along with some team ups leading up to and spinning out of the JLA movie.. but somehow all woven together.
The other side of it may be that it is pretty hard to do a stand alone film that doesn't involve Superman. Marvel did a horrible job of explaining where all these heroes are during their stand alone films, most people just ignore (like myself) but maybe DC has bigger plans than that.
I dunno, I learned a lesson when I wrote off Heath Ledger as the Joker, so I will always have at least a little faith in the movies. Right now to me it goes:
X-Men
Marvel
DC
But as a huge DC fanboi I obviously want to see them rise.
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First look at Henry Cavill in Batman v Superman and a look into the title of the movie:
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Spoilered for size. Man is he massive.
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Snyder, unsurprisingly, doesn't reveal much about the relationship between the two iconic characters in his follow-up to "Man of Steel," but he indicates that "v" in the title may hold a clue. Why "v" instead of "vs."? He tells the newspaper that it's a way "to keep it from being a straight 'versus' movie, even in the most subtle way."
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This is what I have found in my digging, I am going to spoiler it because it is speculation that makes a lot of sense. However, I would say that if you don't want to know anything about a movie leading up to its release you should probably just avoid these threads all together. We aren't looking to spoil anything but there is a large chunk of us that love to speculate and pick apart every little bread crumb leading up to the release. I think from now on pure speculation is free game in this thread. You have been warned!
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I have a legal background. The whole “v” thing, that is an adversarial thing in courts. When you go to court and you’re reading old court cases it’s “Smith v California”. The first name in the title of a court case is the grieving party. It’s the one bringing the grievance. The one saying the first party has a problem with the second party. And that’s the legal way that that’s set up. So when I look at that title, it makes sense that they left the “s” out of the “v” [in "vs."]. Now it makes sense to me. Batman is the one coming after Superman in this film. I have no doubt about that.
To me this makes a lot of sense. Batman sees the destruction these two aliens caused in Metropolis, he wants to make sure that doesn't happen to Gotham.. but he isn't just coming in guns a blazin', which is where Luthor comes in. More of a strategic use Bruce Wayne approach. I also think that this movie is much bigger than just Batman and Superman going at it, which is why they have cast so many other heroes for roles/cameos.
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Sounds like, for all the moaning and groaning over Superman killing Zod at the end, it seems to lend itself to this film where Batman has to show Superman that killing is the separation between "us and them", since the character takes such a hard line on it.
EDIT: And as much as they are declaring this separate from The Dark Knight, I can see some allusions to that series where Batman is an older-grizzeled version of himself and is called into action to guide Superman, kind of a reversal from The Dark Knight Returns.
All I want to see is Batman confronting Aquaman, calling him a "lame a$$ punk" in his growly voice and slapping him with a fish. Meanwhile Superman pounds Wonder Woman in a mattress crater.
All I want to see is Batman confronting Aquaman, calling him a "lame a$$ punk" in his growly voice and slapping him with a fish. Meanwhile Superman pounds Wonder Woman in a mattress crater.
It would be awesome if they followed the Lego Movie story line where Green Lantern stalks Batman wanting to be his buddy.
The only place I've ever seen "v" used instead of "vs" for "versus" is in court cases, so I can only assume the plot of the movie will be Wayne Enterprises suing Superman for the damage caused to their properties in Metropolis during the big battle at the end of Man of Steel.
BATMAN V. SUPERMAN -- A tense courtroom drama, coming in 2016!
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