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Old 07-03-2014, 10:27 AM   #561
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has there been any correlation between the estimated NHLE of prospects and the points the player puts up in their first year in the NHL?
That's exactly what NHLe predicts, so yes. Lots of variation, but still pretty close.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:27 AM   #562
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I see him as a better skating combo of Bobby Clarke and Doug Gilmour.
That's it exactly, thank you.

Bobby Clarke was a dirty SOB, but one has to wonder how much of that was due to environment.

More importantly for me, he was a leader - a leader who simply REFUSED to lose. And he led his team face-first.

Despite the dirtiness (which I wasn't a fan of) I had a tremendous amount of respect for Clarke as a competitor and a leader and a hockey player.

Edit: point being that I am hoping that Bennett becomes a similar type of player (without some of the dirtiness)

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Old 07-03-2014, 10:33 AM   #563
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has there been any correlation between the estimated NHLE of prospects and the points the player puts up in their first year in the NHL?
The NHL-E is calculated based on what players in the past have scored in various leagues compared to their first year in the NHL. Those numbers are then averaged out to determine each league's NHL-E. Obviously there are going to be outliers, but it gives an idea of what a player's performance could look like.
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The only thing that concerns me with Bennett is that he played on a high octane, veteran offensive team this past season. His Kingston team averaged near a full goal per game more than Reinhart, Draisaitl or Dal Colles teams.

If a bunch of those veteran forwards leave the team this offseason, I dont think it would be crazy to suggest that Bennetts points per game average might not increase very much if at all this season, which may worry some people. Its something to keep an eye on anyway.
There's a chart somewhere showing the effect of age on points and mathematical equation leading to a correcting factor that fairly accurately adjusts the points based on age. Bennett had the highest PPG of all the draft picks once adjusted
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:37 AM   #565
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The only thing that concerns me with Bennett is that he played on a high octane, veteran offensive team this past season. His Kingston team averaged near a full goal per game more than Reinhart, Draisaitl or Dal Colles teams.

If a bunch of those veteran forwards leave the team this offseason, I dont think it would be crazy to suggest that Bennetts points per game average might not increase very much if at all this season, which may worry some people. Its something to keep an eye on anyway.
Edit: And people said the same about McKinnon
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:39 AM   #566
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The NHL-E is calculated based on what players in the past have scored in various leagues compared to their first year in the NHL. Those numbers are then averaged out to determine each league's NHL-E. Obviously there are going to be outliers, but it gives an idea of what a player's performance could look like.
what i mean is, does the combined data exist where i can actually see the results, for example, of what the 2009 NHL draft class's NHLE equivalences were in the years after being drafted and their first year in the NHL?
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what i mean is, does the combined data exist where i can actually see the results, for example, of what the 2009 NHL draft class's NHLE equivalences were in the years after being drafted and their first year in the NHL?
Not quite what you're after, but gives you a good idea:

http://flamesnation.ca/2014/6/24/an-argument-for-nhle
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Bennett was given #63 for Development camp
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My Mom's maiden name is Bennett. We're probably related.
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My Mom's maiden name is Bennett. We're probably related.
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That's it exactly, thank you.

Bobby Clarke was a dirty SOB, but one has to wonder how much of that was due to environment.

More importantly for me, he was a leader - a leader who simply REFUSED to lose. And he led his team face-first.

Despite the dirtiness (which I wasn't a fan of) I had a tremendous amount of respect for Clarke as a competitor and a leader and a hockey player.

Edit: point being that I am hoping that Bennett becomes a similar type of player (without some of the dirtiness)
In some ways the team that Treliving/Burke are trying to build looks like the Flyers from their cup days, with added speed of course, more than the LA Kings model to me.
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:18 PM   #572
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My Mom's maiden name is Bennett. We're probably related.
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The more I read about this kid I will not be surprised at all to see him make the team next year and contribute at a similar or better clip offensively than Monahan.

My gut says they will swiftly send him back but if he gets his 9 games I think he will stick. Guys like MacKinnon, Duchene etc stuck an he is a comparable prospect
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:30 PM   #574
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Check out some of the names on this list:

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Awesome that we could get either Bennett or Draisaitl... both excellent prospects.

I think the flames should send him down no matter how he does in his 9 game stint. I want him to develop upper body strength and dominate ohl kids. This way one year is not burned either.
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That's it exactly, thank you.

Bobby Clarke was a dirty SOB, but one has to wonder how much of that was due to environment.

More importantly for me, he was a leader - a leader who simply REFUSED to lose. And he led his team face-first.

Despite the dirtiness (which I wasn't a fan of) I had a tremendous amount of respect for Clarke as a competitor and a leader and a hockey player.

Edit: point being that I am hoping that Bennett becomes a similar type of player (without some of the dirtiness)
To continue the Bobby Clarke theme, I wonder if Bennett would like this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPuYJXHYhsY
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Old 07-03-2014, 04:49 PM   #578
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As for the Flames' top prospects

Bennett produced at 1.60 PPG in the OHL this past season, which is equal to 0.48 PPG in the NHL, or approximately 39 points over a season.

Gaudreau produced at 2.00 PPG in the NCAA, equal to 0.82 PPG in the NHL, or approximately 67 points over a season. Which is slightly more than Crosby's NHLE before entering the league (66).
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Gaudreau excites me like no other prospect for this team. I dig a lot of the young guys coming up but Gaudreau's tool box looks unmatched by any of them. I hope we let him decimate the AHL for one year though personally, let him get the pace of pro hockey even if its for just half a season down there I think it's the right move.
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The sooner Gaudreau steps in, the sooner this core will come together and become impact players at the NHL level. If he's too good for the A this year, then why waste time? I'm patient, but I'm not going to add time where it's not needed.

Gaudreau will be an NHLer IMO.
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