[Signing] Flames sign Deryk Engelland (3yrs, $2.9M AAV)

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

And you are comparing Engelland to those guys? While I don't disagree with the general premise, I don't see Engelland as being anywhere near those guys if you compare them in their primes...

I'd say that out of the players listed, Engelland is probably as good as Boughner, Peplinski, or Lowry. Certainly good enough to set an example of hard work and professional behaviour for the rookies. Nobody expects him to set an example of toe-drags or spinoramas – this not being Edmonton.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Have people even bothered to take a look at his stats? He played well over 12 minutes on most nights last season. He was more than a 6/7 guy last year (when healthy). I think he's a bit better than some of you are making him out to be.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...32014&view=log

Put that 12 minutes in context, and your error is exposed:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

Whoops.

[jayswin]

SebC doesn't like so I like it.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by SebC

Put that 12 minutes in context, and your error is exposed:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

Whoops.

Funny thing about context:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

It looks a bit better when you factor out the guys who played games in single digits filling in for injured starters.

[UKflames]

For me I got sick and tired of watching other teams take a run at our goalie all the time, I'm just hoping that this pick (maybe plus the Bollig pick) makes them think twice about doing that next season.

[edn88]

Originally Posted by spetch

U actually admit to being from Edmonton????

Chetwynd actually

http://www.cdmha.com/leagues/custom_...84&pageID=9062

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'd say that out of the players listed, Engelland is probably as good as Boughner, Peplinski, or Lowry. Certainly good enough to set an example of hard work and professional behaviour for the rookies. Nobody expects him to set an example of toe-drags or spinoramas – this not being Edmonton.

Engelland isn't half as good as Peplinksi or Lowry were

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

And you are comparing Engelland to those guys? While I don't disagree with the general premise, I don't see Engelland as being anywhere near those guys if you compare them in their primes...

I'm not comparing them in talent, because in the case of mentoring talent is irrelevant. As for locker room leadership and mentoring as a pro, I don't know. But Treliving thinks highly of him.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by getbak

I think even Treliving admitted that he's not worth it, but there were a number of reasons they were willing to pay it...

10 teams were reportedly interesting in acquiring him. It's safe to assume that most of those teams would give him a better chance to see playoff action, so the one thing the Flames could offer that the others couldn't was money.

He's a right-shooting d-man, which is a big hole on the roster. Wideman is the only other right-shooting D in the entire Flames organization, including draft picks. This is another reason they were willing to pay a premium to get him.

He was asking for a longer term, so they offered more money per year to get him to accept a shorter term.

The salary floor was somewhat of a concern, so they were willing to spend a little more to ensure they weren't going to be forced to make an even worse deal to take on money later.

Good points. And no one mentioned who the other bidders were. But I would pay another premium to keep him out of a rivals hands.

[Wastedyouth]

Engelland is the single worst regular defenseman in the entire NHL at controlled zone exits. First pass or carrying the puck out of the zone.

The entire NHL.

Let me know if you want the link to his advanced stats. They are not pretty.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Engelland is the single worst regular defenseman in the entire NHL at controlled zone exits. First pass or carrying the puck out of the zone.

The entire NHL.

Let me know if you want the link to his advanced stats. They are not pretty.

I would like the link, I would not be surprised at all but I would be interested in seeing the link.

Signings like this one really make you wonder whether Treliving and Burke instead of Feaster and Weisbrod was a lateral move in terms of hockey intelligence or whether our front office has regressed and taken a step backward.

[Street Pharmacist]

Put me in the category of being disappointed in this signing. By every measure he isn't good at hockey so I hope he does a stand up routine in the dressing room to keep guys happy. Really not sure why we have him.

As for the "good team guy" / "bad player", I still don't like the signing. While a happy team is nice, they still have to play hockey

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by edn88

Chetwynd actually

http://www.cdmha.com/leagues/custom_...84&pageID=9062

All I remember of Chetwynd is getting blotto at the rodeo. I worked on the construction of the first dam.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Put me in the category of being disappointed in this signing. By every measure he isn't good at hockey so I hope he does a stand up routine in the dressing room to keep guys happy. Really not sure why we have him.

As for the "good team guy" / "bad player", I still don't like the signing. While a happy team is nice, they still have to play hockey

Yeah a defenceman who is known more for his fighting than his playing effectiveness doesn't turn my crank either. He sounds like a more physical SOB but before we jump to conclusions, I'm going to watch him play. Reminds me a little of Vandermeer who I didn't care for much.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Put me in the category of being disappointed in this signing. By every measure he isn't good at hockey so I hope he does a stand up routine in the dressing room to keep guys happy. Really not sure why we have him.

As for the "good team guy" / "bad player", I still don't like the signing. While a happy team is nice, they still have to play hockey

I've liked most, if not all things, the flames have done since hiring Burke. This signing is not one of them. Just like when we picked up Jones ans SoB I truly believe that a contract should be somewhat trade able if you want to go in another direction. You can add engelland to the NTC list because no one is taking him off our hands.

I've seen him play enough to know that he is much worse in his own zone than Butler. Yes he brings a tough streak and is noted as a good locker room guy but that does not justify his contract. Should also note that Butler was well liked in dressing room and has been reported that he had some quite leadership qualities also. If butler had been given this contract CP site would have crashed.

[Street Pharmacist]

He brings a physical edge that Butler didn't. The thing I'm confused about is who is actually going to play hockey when Bollig, Big Ern and Engelland are on the ice?

He got heavily sheltered minutes in Pittsburgh, as did the other two. There's only so many sheltered minutes to go around. One of these guys will be playing in over their head

[Itse]

A guy like Hudler can be lured in with the chance of being the go-to guy who gets the best minutes, but for guys like Engellund, the icetime and role on the team is pretty much the same everywhere. There's just not really anything we could offer him besides lots of money.

I don't really see why someone equivalent would sign here for a more reasonable paycheck. I'm guessing Trelivings options were
a) overpay
b) don't get anyone
c) get crap like SOB, who can't actually play enough minutes to make a difference as a physical presence.

Right now, I hate overpaying less than I hate getting a crappy player or not getting anyone. So while I'm hardly in extacy over this signing, I'm okay with it. This is just how it is right now.

Welcome to rebuild country.

[Enoch Root]

Completely agreed with Treliving's comments about the contract...

Didn't want to give term. Say it again. Didn't want to give term.

Gave extra dollars (at a time when they are reaching for the floor) in order to keep the term short. Got a character guy for an interim period to fill a gap.

Whining about the salary is completely missing the big picture IMO.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

....The thing I'm confused about is who is actually going to play hockey when Bollig, Big Ern and Engelland are on the ice?

I am betting neither team when that occurs.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Itse

A guy like Hudler can be lured in with the chance of being the go-to guy who gets the best minutes, but for guys like Engellund, the icetime and role on the team is pretty much the same everywhere. There's just not really anything we could offer him besides lots of money.

I don't really see why someone equivalent would sign here for a more reasonable paycheck. I'm guessing Trelivings options were
a) overpay
b) don't get anyone
c) get crap like SOB, who can't actually play enough minutes to make a difference as a physical presence.

Right now, I hate overpaying less than I hate getting a crappy player or not getting anyone. So while I'm hardly in extacy over this signing, I'm okay with it. This is just how it is right now.

Welcome to rebuild country.

I'm not upset about the money, we're miles away from it mattering at all. I'm disappointed that we keep getting players to fill a role (playing physical and acting as a deterrent) that only had so many sheltered minutes to give.