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dino7c · 06-28-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

We already had McGrattan and Wolf signed for next season. One we know is a terrible hockey player, the other will likely be the same.

We didn't need to waste an asset on somebody like Bollig. It's terrible asset management.

People can say "oh it's only a 3rd rounder", but that's such a frivolous way to think of the draft. We drafted Gaudreau in the middle of the 4th round, the Calder runner up was drafted in the 7th.

how about you let the guy play a game....I have high hopes for Gaudreau but you can't build a team of Gaudreau's

DOOM · 06-28-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

What is hilarious about this thread is that the supporters of this trade saying what a good deal it is...

Care to guess how Bollig ended up with the Hawks?

Undrafted free agent.

And?

Lanny_McDonald · 06-28-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

We already had McGrattan and Wolf signed for next season. One we know is a terrible hockey player, the other will likely be the same.

We didn't need to waste an asset on somebody like Bollig. It's terrible asset management.

People can say "oh it's only a 3rd rounder", but that's such a frivolous way to think of the draft. We drafted Gaudreau in the middle of the 4th round, the Calder runner up was drafted in the 7th.

The draft is won in rounds 2-7, and the Flames don't seem to understand that.

Motley Crue said it best. Don't go away mad, just go away.

dino7c · 06-28-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I love the logic of some fans.

"I think a later pick could have hot him" - so you assume Treliving's didn't offer a later pick to begin with?

"I don't think it's smart to draft goalies in the 2nd, just pick one in the 6th" - ...and draft a significantly worse prospect?

"That player is big, he's a goon/fighter at best" - because size dictates hockey skill?

...people just love to be negative.

There's a lot of positivity around our organization right now...how about you try smiling for once?

Negative Koolaid is just as strong...maybe stronger than the positive variety

killer_carlson · 06-28-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I don't think are questioning the value of adding someone who can bring additional toughness to a team...guys like a Prust or a Bouma are definitely of value.

The question is whether a rebuilding team should be trading away draft picks for 4 line pluggers.

What is hilarious about this thread is that the supporters of this trade saying what a good deal it is...

Care to guess how Bollig ended up with the Hawks?

Undrafted free agent.

Undrafted free agent? Like giordano?

dont know what that has to do with anything.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-28-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM

And?

ummm... that you can get these types of players as free agents and not give up draft picks?

you know we actually did that with a guy named Jackman, who was pretty decent for us and had 10 goals his first year here...

and we gave up zero assets for him.

robertsfanatic · 06-28-2014, 10:29 AM

KC, I think he means that because he was undrafted then we could have gotten the same thing as him for nothing.

dino7c · 06-28-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I don't think are questioning the value of adding someone who can bring additional toughness to a team...guys like a Prust or a Bouma are definitely of value.

The question is whether a rebuilding team should be trading away draft picks for 4 line pluggers.

What is hilarious about this thread is that the supporters of this trade saying what a good deal it is...

Care to guess how Bollig ended up with the Hawks?

Undrafted free agent.

good point, I guess Gio is worthless too....he was un drafted so lets trade him for a 3rd and make out like bandits

getbak · 06-28-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

There are no objective stats out there that can prove this at all.

Before acquiring Westgarth: 14-19-6 : 34 of 78 points (43.6%)
After acquiring Westgarth: 21-21-1 : 43 of 86 points (50.0%)

DOOM · 06-28-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

ummm... that you can get these types of players as free agents and not give up draft picks?

you know we actually did that with a guy named Jackman, who was pretty decent for us and had 10 goals his first year here...

and we gave up zero assets for him.

Obviously paid professionals feel differently.

We know what we are getting with Bollig.

Ashasx · 06-28-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Read Only

Not everyone can posts gems like this:

Someone doesn't agree with you so they must be drinking the kool aid. Solid contribution and analysis.

Is this not the forum that goes after Oilers fans for drinking the Lowe koolaid? Suddenly things change when it goes against what the Flames do?

So yeah, I guess when I disagree, I'm just an idiot and should accept whatever the Flames do despite drafting very poorly in rounds 2-7 over the last three drafts.

bzoo02 · 06-28-2014, 10:31 AM

For those thinking Bollig is just a plug just take a look at the flames goal stats last year. Only 10 players on the flames roster had more goals than him (7).

He's not going to be lining up for staged fights or taking on the other teams main goon, that's Grats' job.

His job will be to provide energy by laying down hits (33rd in league past year) while being able to answer the bell if need be.

Read Only · 06-28-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Galiardi put up respectable numbers on the Sharks. How many people thought his numbers would fall off a cliff when he started to get more minutes with the Flames?

He didn't put up decent numbers for the Sharks and that was with time playing with Thornton.

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not smarter than everybody else. I just wish the Flames would stop believing they are.

Sorry for being a dissenting voice in a forum that doesn't appear to like it.

Dissent all you want but repeating this is a waste, this is awful, if you like it you are driniking kool aid and making up lies isn't dissenting it is being an over the top baby.

dino7c · 06-28-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

KC, I think he means that because he was undrafted then we could have gotten the same thing as him for nothing.

lets go get some more Giordano's! they can be gotten for free

DOOM · 06-28-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

lets go get some more Giordano's! they can be gotten for free

Yup, free NHLers are just so easy to find, especially with 3rd round picks. Might as well go and acquire picks 61-90!!!

dieHARDflameZ · 06-28-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Is this not the forum that goes after Oilers fans for drinking the Lowe koolaid? Suddenly things change when it goes against what the Flames do?

So yeah, I guess when I disagree, I'm just an idiot and should accept whatever the Flames do despite drafting very poorly in rounds 2-7 over the last three drafts.

How can you make that as a definitive statement? We're talking about players drafted in the last three years? Not every player is going to be Ashasx NHL ready... Some players are projects, and require a little bit of time and patience...

Resolute 14 · 06-28-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I don't think are questioning the value of adding someone who can bring additional toughness to a team...guys like a Prust or a Bouma are definitely of value.

The question is whether a rebuilding team should be trading away draft picks for 4 line pluggers.

What is hilarious about this thread is that the supporters of this trade saying what a good deal it is...

Care to guess how Bollig ended up with the Hawks?

Undrafted free agent.

So was Mark Giordano. What's your point?

cannon7 · 06-28-2014, 10:36 AM

Seems like a waste of a 3rd round pick, the Blackhawks didn't even want this guy. Isn't Wesgrath enough? Curious what Treliving's reasoning is...

Would rather draft size....

btimbit · 06-28-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Is this not the forum that goes after Oilers fans for drinking the Lowe koolaid? Suddenly things change when it goes against what the Flames do?
.

So why do you want the Flames to build a team just like the Oilers are? A guy like Bollig is exactly what both teams need.

He's not just a 4th line plug. Think along the lines of a bigger Bouma. Hits more, scores more, fights better. Who here doesn't like Bouma?

The price was higher than anyone would have liked but at the end of the day we're a better team than we were before the trade, and I personally didn't have much hope of getting a solid prospect in the 3rd round this year.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-28-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

lets go get some more Giordano's! they can be gotten for free

yeah, sarcasm is always appreciated.

the point was that these types of players are always available on the FA market and that you don't have to give up assets in order to get them.

Mcgrattan was also a FA signing on his first spell with Calgary...

so there are plenty of examples of similar players that have been acquired for nothing.