[Trade] Kesler + 3rd round to Anaheim for Bonino, Sbisa, 24th OA + 3rd round

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mile

Bonino: 49 points, 16:13 TOI
Kesler: 43 points, 21:48 TOI

Kesler is the better player and more proven, but it isn't a huge downgrade by any means.

As far as whether the Canucks are a better team after this deal is a different story.

Ducks 266 Goals
Van 196 Goals

Gonna say it was a little easier to put up points with the Ducks

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

This specific trade was not done to "make the team better" in the short term. You don't trade a player like Kesler with the plan to make your team "better". You will obviously be worse off than you were because you will not get a player who is similar back (why would the team trade for him?) You trade a player like Kesler when it is time to change your team and aim for something different down the line. Whether it is better than its previous form depends on how that goes.

What the team got was cap space, more picks to either draft or make more moves with. That was the goal and the goal has been met while getting a player who can play for the team now (Bonino) and a player who could be something in two or three years (Sbisa).

He was your best player and you don't replace your best player with cap space and mid level prospects. What's the point of cap space if you are the Canucks? You think they will be better paying Niskanen $6+ million long term? July UFA is fools gold. I simply don't understand what the Canucks are trying to accomplish here as there's no UFA's out there that will change their plight which is slowly entering the top 5 of the NHL draft. They really needed to get at least one AAA prospect for Kesler and they didn't. That's major fail IMO as they not only got worse with the trade they didn't add a blue chip prospect for the future.

[SuperMatt18]

I feel bad for Bonino.

He is going to be hyped up to be Kesler's replacement and when he isn't able to do that the city will tear him apart.

Canucks have turned:

Schneider
Luongo
Kesler

into

9th overall (Horvat)
Markstrom
Matthias
Sbisa
Bonino
24th overall

Not terrible, but for a team in need of young impact players Horvat is really the only piece that you fully expect to develop into that type of player.

[mile]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Ducks 266 Goals
Van 196 Goals

Gonna say it was a little easier to put up points with the Ducks

Which is why I said Kesler is still the better player.

[868904]

Considering some Canuck fans were expecting Ryan Johansson for Kesler, of course some are disappointed.

But it's a decent deal though value wise. Better than what Feaster got for Bouwmeester.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I feel bad for Bonino.

He is going to be hyped up to be Kesler's replacement and when he isn't able to do that the city will tear him apart.

Yeah. He's may be able to put up more PP points with the Sedins but he's likely not going to be able to live up to expectations.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He was your best player and you don't replace your best player with cap space and mid level prospects. What's the point of cap space if you are the Canucks? You think they will be better paying Niskanen $6+ million long term? July UFA is fools gold. I simply don't understand what the Canucks are trying to accomplish here as there's no UFA's out there that will change their plight which is slowly entering the top 5 of the NHL draft. They really needed to get at least one AAA prospect for Kesler and they didn't. That's major fail IMO.

I totally agree, the Canucks are just the Flames of a few years past, in every way...trading quality for quantity, hanging on to ageing stars (Sedins), creating cap room for nothing

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by 868904

considering some canuck fans were expecting ryan johansson for kesler, of course some are disappointed.

But it's a decent deal though value wise. Better than what feaster got for bouwmeester.

lmao.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Man, only really Burrows left to hate!

you forgot about Bieksa

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 868904

Considering some Canuck fans were expecting Ryan Johansson for Kesler, of course some are disappointed.

But it's a decent deal though value wise. Better than what Feaster got for Bouwmeester.

when "better than Feaster" is your best defence thats not saying much

[jg13]

LOL Luongo

[Keselke]

Great hockey move for ANA

Second line center they needed


Are people really comparing POINTS? between Kesler and Bonino

Kesler is an all situation Center, who can play against top line players(Not far removed from a Selke)

Exactly the type of player you win with, and was the Canucks best player when they went to the finals.

[Takumi3000]

This is not the best return for the Canucks but Kesler definitely limited their trade partners. Benning would be wise to stop handing out NTCs. Bonino is not bad and the other pieces may help us move up to #1 in the draft.

But the best news is that we are a worse team without Kesler. Since Vancouver can't compete with the best in the West anyways, it would be wise to tank for McDavid.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mile

Which is why I said Kesler is still the better player.

you said it isn't a huge downgrade and I totally disagree...Bonino was a decent player in really good situation. Kesler was on a team in shambles with a coach who was more worried about blocking shots than scoring goals.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Takumi3000

This is not the best return for the Canucks but Kesler definitely limited their trade partners. Benning would be wise to stop handing out NTCs. Bonino is not bad and the other pieces may help us move up to #1 in the draft.

But the best news is that we are a worse team without Kesler. Since Vancouver can't compete with the best in the West anyways, it would be wise to tank for McDavid.

if that was the goal why not trade him for prospects/better picks

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Keselke

Great hockey move for ANA

Second line center they needed


Are people really comparing POINTS? between Kesler and Bonino

Kesler is an all situation Center, who can play against top line players(Not far removed from a Selke)

Exactly the type of player you win with, and was the Canucks best player when they went to the finals.

These are the same people that will put Mat Stajan's PPG and say he is as good a player as ROR or Kesler (yes both have been said on here)

[Yrebmi]

FWIW the Duck fans on their forum all love the deal tempered with a little remorse for losing Bones.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

This deal is really dependent on what the Nucks do with 24th overall. I am not sold on Bonino. He's 26 and has only had one productive season. It remains to be seen if that's a blip or if he's trending up. Sbisa could be a decent #4 though.

[Ashasx]

I think this is a fair deal. The funny part is just what Canucks fans were expecting.

I also don't think much of Kesler. Anaheim fans will be disappointed if they expect much.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

If Sbisa can get and stay healthy, this is a good deal for Van. Bonino had a break out year, and was great in the playoffs. A top 4 pairing guy, a top 6 forward and a 1st is a fair return for an over the hill, broken down Kesler, who may never hit 50 pts again.

The Canuck are now pretty deep on the back end so Tanev deal looks quite possible now. Tanev, and the 2 firsts for 1 over all.

Top 4 guy? He was scratched basically the entire playoffs and even after they lost Robidas to a broken leg he only got in two games.

(Bryan Allen was playing over him)