Bob McKenzie's Draft Ranking - June 23 5:30PM MT - TSN

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Monahan23

That ISS list

Yup... those professional scouts have NO idea what they're doing.

[Erick Estrada]

Kind of crazy how Dal Colle gets so little love as he's rarely ever discussed as an option. This is an excerpt from a Corey Pronman ESPN article where scouts voted on the following criteria. Dal Colle seems to be good at practically everything;

Top 10 skaters
1. Jake Virtanen, RW, Calgary (WHL)
2. Josh Ho-Sang, RW, Windsor (OHL)
3. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)
4. Adrian Kempe, LW, Modo (SHL)
5. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
6. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
7. Haydn Fleury, D, Red Deer (WHL)
8. Brendan Perlini, LW, Niagara (OHL)
9. Julius Honka, D, Swift Current (WHL)
10. Roland McKeown, D, Kingston (OHL)

Top 10 puck skills
1. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
2. Sonny Milano, LW, USNTDP (USHL)
3. Vladimir Tkachev, RW, Moncton (QMJHL)
4. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
5. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
6. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)
7. Josh Ho-Sang, RW, Windsor (OHL)
8. Nikolai Goldobin, RW, Sarnia (OHL)
9. Jakub Vrana, RW, Linkoping (SHL)
10. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)

Top 10 overall hockey IQ
1. Sam Reinhart, C, Kootenay (WHL)
2. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
3. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
4. Leon Draisaitl, C, Prince Albert (WHL)
5. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
6. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
7. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
8. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
9. Sebastian Aho, D, Skelleftea (SHL)
10. Nikita Scherbak, RW, Saskatoon (WHL)

Top 10 playmakers
1. Sam Reinhart, C, Kootenay (WHL)
2. Leon Draisaitl, C, Prince Albert (WHL)
3. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
4. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
5. Lucas Wallmark, C, Lulea (SHL)
6. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
7. Ivan Barbashev, C, Moncton (QMJHL)
8. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
9. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
10. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)

Top 10 physical games
1. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
2. Nick Ritchie, LW, Peterborough (OHL)
3. Hunter Smith, LW/RW, Oshawa (OHL)
4. Haydn Fleury, D, Red Deer (WHL)
5. Alex Tuch, RW, USNTDP (USHL)
6. Ryan Collins, D, USNTDP (USHL)
7. Alex Peters, D, Plymouth (OHL)
8. Alexis Vanier, D, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
9. Nikita Tryamkin, D, Yekaterinburg (KHL)
10. Aaron Haydon, D, Niagara (OHL)

Top 10 shots
1. Nick Ritchie, LW, Peterborough (OHL)
2. Jake Virtanen, RW, Calgary (WHL)
3. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
4. Jared McCann, C, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
5. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
6. Brendan Perlini, LW, Niagara (OHL)
7. Alexis Vanier, D, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
8. Nikolai Goldobin, RW, Sarnia (OHL)
9. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
10. Brett Pollock, C, Edmonton (WHL)

[Coach]

Not on top 10 skater or physical play though. That could have some teams (including the Flames) staying away.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kind of crazy how Dal Colle gets so little love as he's rarely ever discussed as an option. This is an excerpt from a Corey Pronman ESPN article where scouts voted on the following criteria. Dal Colle seems to be good at practically everything;

Top 10 skaters
1. Jake Virtanen, RW, Calgary (WHL)
2. Josh Ho-Sang, RW, Windsor (OHL)
3. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)
4. Adrian Kempe, LW, Modo (SHL)
5. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
6. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
7. Haydn Fleury, D, Red Deer (WHL)
8. Brendan Perlini, LW, Niagara (OHL)
9. Julius Honka, D, Swift Current (WHL)
10. Roland McKeown, D, Kingston (OHL)

Top 10 puck skills
1. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
2. Sonny Milano, LW, USNTDP (USHL)
3. Vladimir Tkachev, RW, Moncton (QMJHL)
4. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
5. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
6. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)
7. Josh Ho-Sang, RW, Windsor (OHL)
8. Nikolai Goldobin, RW, Sarnia (OHL)
9. Jakub Vrana, RW, Linkoping (SHL)
10. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)

Top 10 overall hockey IQ
1. Sam Reinhart, C, Kootenay (WHL)
2. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
3. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
4. Leon Draisaitl, C, Prince Albert (WHL)
5. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
6. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
7. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
8. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
9. Sebastian Aho, D, Skelleftea (SHL)
10. Nikita Scherbak, RW, Saskatoon (WHL)

Top 10 playmakers
1. Sam Reinhart, C, Kootenay (WHL)
2. Leon Draisaitl, C, Prince Albert (WHL)
3. William Nylander, RW, Modo (SHL)
4. Sam Bennett, C, Kingston (OHL)
5. Lucas Wallmark, C, Lulea (SHL)
6. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
7. Ivan Barbashev, C, Moncton (QMJHL)
8. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
9. Kevin Fiala, LW, HV71 (SHL)
10. Nikolaj Ehlers, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)

Top 10 physical games
1. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
2. Nick Ritchie, LW, Peterborough (OHL)
3. Hunter Smith, LW/RW, Oshawa (OHL)
4. Haydn Fleury, D, Red Deer (WHL)
5. Alex Tuch, RW, USNTDP (USHL)
6. Ryan Collins, D, USNTDP (USHL)
7. Alex Peters, D, Plymouth (OHL)
8. Alexis Vanier, D, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
9. Nikita Tryamkin, D, Yekaterinburg (KHL)
10. Aaron Haydon, D, Niagara (OHL)

Top 10 shots
1. Nick Ritchie, LW, Peterborough (OHL)
2. Jake Virtanen, RW, Calgary (WHL)
3. Aaron Ekblad, D, Barrie (OHL)
4. Jared McCann, C, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
5. Michael Dal Colle, LW, Oshawa (OHL)
6. Brendan Perlini, LW, Niagara (OHL)
7. Alexis Vanier, D, Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
8. Nikolai Goldobin, RW, Sarnia (OHL)
9. Kasperi Kapanen, RW, KalPa (Liiga)
10. Brett Pollock, C, Edmonton (WHL)

If we're not picking one of the top 4, you would think he'd be the obvious choice (he would certainly be my choice).

He reminds me a bit of what Galchenyuk is becoming now as a winger with Montreal. I don't think that's a bad pick at 4.

[OzSome]

I am hoping that the Flames can steal that pest Claude Lemeiux's son as their 2nd round pick. Anyone know what rank he is on several scouting report?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I am hoping that the Flames can steal that pest Claude Lemeiux's son as their 2nd round pick. Anyone know what rank he is on several scouting report?

Most have him ranked around late 1st to mid 2nd round.

[dissentowner]

I will be happy with anybody but MDC.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If we're not picking one of the top 4, you would think he'd be the obvious choice (he would certainly be my choice).

He reminds me a bit of what Galchenyuk is becoming now as a winger with Montreal. I don't think that's a bad pick at 4.

Not even close. I watched both play junior and Galchenyuk is way ahead of MDC talent wise. I said before that draft that Galchenyuk is the best player available. MDC has a better wrister, that is it.

[Scoreface]

Dal Colle is the Pavel Brendl of this draft. Soft and cherry picks. If he falls to Vancouver, he'll be a great fit.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

Dal Colle is the Pavel Brendl of this draft. Soft and cherry picks. If he falls to Vancouver, he'll be a great fit.

I think he will be a player unlike Brendl but I don't think he will be anything special. He won't be able to just lay in the weeds untouched in the NHL but that wrister should still allow him to net 20 goals every year. He just won't be a big time player but will be a nice option for someone on the PP. Just not us, we have bigger fish to fry.

[IgiTang]

I'm hoping the Flames can combine their 2 2nds to move up to 24'wish and snag ho-sang

[bax]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I'm hoping the Flames can combine their 2 2nds to move up to 24'wish and snag ho-sang

And I am hoping the opposite of you!

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by bax

And I am hoping the opposite of you!

Why so?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Why so?

There appear to be some issues with his attitude.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/24...joshua-ho-sang

It’s entirely possible — maybe even closer to probable — that the most naturally gifted player available will not be selected in the first 30 picks. According to sources, numerous NHL teams have Ho-Sang on their Do Not Draft List.
And only 18 of 30 teams chose to interview him at the recent NHL Combine — and many came away stunned and disappointed.

I asked a chief scout with a late pick in the first round whether he would select Ho-Sang if he was available, and without hesitating, he answered no.
When I asked why, he said there are certain criteria his organization values, “and if I picked him, my scouts would all revolt. He doesn’t fit what we’re looking for.”

Edit: Looks like this was already posted by Sureloss in another thread hours ago

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Jacks

There appear to be some issues with his attitude.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/24...joshua-ho-sang

But at what point do you figure he's a teen being a teen and with the right guidance, he could mature a bit. Again, as in that article, he's one of the most naturally gifted.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

This draft sounds like a pretty weak one. If we have to trade a 2nd to move up and grab the guy we like, then I'm fine with it.

It's weak in the fact there is no consensus picks or sure-fire franchise players. The top 4 is considered relatively even and undecided, so it would make more sense to keep the pick and take who is available at 4.

That said, if it only takes a 2nd round pick to ensure they get the guy they want, by all means make the deal.

[Completely]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But at what point do you figure he's a teen being a teen and with the right guidance, he could mature a bit. Again, as in that article, he's one of the most naturally gifted.

Using that logic there should be a lot more players with attitude issues.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Completely

Using that logic there should be a lot more players with attitude issues.

There's tons. Many of them grow up. Not every kid entering pro hockey is a "good guy".

[Jacks]

Who knows how the interviews went but if he's turning off teams like that there's likely something to it.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Who knows how the interviews went but if he's turning off teams like that there's likely something to it.

I hear ya. But there's so much risk involved with any pick over a range of issues that when you have a kid who has serious raw talent and can skate as well, an attitude can be changed. Ability can not.