Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there another drug that is used, like pot, for both recreational and medicinal purposes?

Hockey.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there another drug that is used, like pot, for both recreational and medicinal purposes?

Ketamine and oxycodone come to mind. I'm sure there's others.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there another drug that is used, like pot, for both recreational and medicinal purposes?

Let's see...

Adderal
Ambien
Oxycontin
Morphine
Valium
Xanax
Ritalin
Codein
DXM
Viagra
Cialis

To name a few

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Is there another drug that is used, like pot, for both recreational and medicinal purposes?

Lots of them.

A lot of opiates are used in medicine obviously. Though morphine is generally the most common, I think they still use the equivalent of heroin in some cases. If they don't anymore, I know they used to.

I think cocaine is still used in certain circumstances. Again if it isn't anymore, it wasn't very long ago they stopped.

All sorts of amphetamines are used for different purposes. And the stuff you get on the street is generally derived from either prescription or non-prescription sources.

I heard that MDMA used to be used in psychiatric circles till it was blacklisted. While there are no official uses for it now, I do know there are trials going on for it's use in PTSD cases.

Trying to think of a 'for sure' example for you.

Ahhh. Though ketamine is generally a veterinary medicine, it is occasionally used in humans as a sedative or pain killer. It is also currently in trials for other uses including depression.

Finally this is to say nothing of the multitudes of prescription medicines that are routinely abused for recreational purposes. Often anti-depressants and high level painkillers.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Lots of them.

A lot of opiates are used in medicine obviously. Though morphine is generally the most common, I think they still use the equivalent of heroin in some cases. If they don't anymore, I know they used to.

I think cocaine is still used in certain circumstances. Again if it isn't anymore, it wasn't very long ago they stopped.

All sorts of amphetamines are used for different purposes. And the stuff you get on the street is generally derived from either prescription or non-prescription sources.

I heard that MDMA used to be used in psychiatric circles till it was blacklisted. While there are no official uses for it now, I do know there are trials going on for it's use in PTSD cases.

Trying to think of a 'for sure' example for you.

Ahhh. Though ketamine is generally a veterinary medicine, it is occasionally used in humans as a sedative or pain killer. It is also currently in trials for other uses including depression.

Finally this is to say nothing of the multitudes of prescription medicines that are routinely abused for recreational purposes. Often anti-depressants and high level painkillers.

Sorry, I should have asked if there are any drugs that are legal for recreational use and still prescribed for medicinal use.

[AcGold]

I just wish they would legalize it and move on. There are more important things to deal with in society like education and healthcare. The science has shown it's not the horrible abomination it was demonized as for nearly a century.

Take all that money spent on pursuing marijuana related crimes and spend it on treating actual chemical addictions that destroy peoples lives or spread it out on similar causes. Using hypotheticals as a basis for keeping something illegal is silly.

[Reaper]

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[Daradon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry, I should have asked if there are any drugs that are legal for recreational use and still prescribed for medicinal use.

Well technically anything that is non-prescription, so low level painkillers, allergy/cold medicines etc. Now you could say that if you are taking them against the label, that is abuse, but really, you could say the same thing for alcohol etc. A lot of drinking is not done responsibly. So in the case of other drugs, technically it's still legal, even if it's unwise or not that much fun. So any non-prescription medicine probably is being used in some manner both medicinally and recreationally and would technically be legal to do so. Though, I know that's not really what your getting at.

As for the big three, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, I can't think of any medicinal uses. Well rubbing alcohol, but that's a sanitary use, not medicinal in the way of being taken into the body.

Of course alcohol was used as a painkiller and anesthetic once upon a time. We just have better ones now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Let's see...

Adderal
Ambien
Oxycontin
Morphine
Valium
Xanax
Ritalin
Codein
DXM
Viagra
Cialis

To name a few

Valium
Xanax
hydromorphone
Dextromethorphan
Rivotril
Ativan
Seroquel
And on, and on, and on

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry, I should have asked if there are any drugs that are legal for recreational use and still prescribed for medicinal use.

Cocaine is rarely but still used as an anaesthetic or vasoconstrictor. Personally, I like how it smells

[Daradon]

But cocaine is not legal for recreational use. He's already re-clarified his question, and you just quoted it.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Not all people are susceptible to side effects the same.

One could easily use your logic to say smoking cigarettes doesn't lead to the variety of lung diseases and cancers associated because practically no one gets them, right? The notion that "all users" need to get it is a conjured criteria I guarantee is not accepted by people who practice in healthcare and medicine.

I haven't looked in some time, but the only relatively clear link to schizophrenia was in the developing brain (teenagers) and even then the authors suggested family history and possible early presentation of schizophrenia likely select those who will try marijuana early. It's a difficult subject to provide clarity on

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I haven't looked in some time, but the only relatively clear link to schizophrenia was in the developing brain (teenagers) and even then the authors suggested family history and possible early presentation of schizophrenia likely select those who will try marijuana early. It's a difficult subject to provide clarity on

Sure it is, it's a spectrum and certain people are going to be more predisposed to schizophrenia

High risk (probably shouldn't smoke marijuana until they are in their 30's):
-High stress lifestyle
-poor diet
-severe trauma and abuse as a child
-family with a genetic history of mental disorders

Low risk
-low stress lifestle
-healthy diet
-no significant trauma experienced during childhood (e.g. sexual abuse)
-little to no genetic history of mental disorders

of course someone in the low risk category can have it triggered for them but it's much less likely than those in the high risk (and someone in the high risk category may not have it triggered). At this point numeric values are hard to create on exactly the risk factors due to the infancy of the science on the issue. It's basically that nervous, unhealthy, anxious stressed out people shouldn't be consuming marijuana.

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Which is why it would be ridiculous to suggest that marijuana use causes schizophrenia as there is not a definitive pattern showing that it does.

Scientific studies on marijuana are very much in their infancy with respect to the amount of research done on tobacco and cigarettes. This one of the reasons why it is ludicrous to definitively make statements like "marijuana use causes schizophrenia." To make the leap of faith to say "marijuana use cannot cause schizophrenia" is also ridiculous. We just don't have enough data for the scientific community to come to a consensus on the subject.

While marijuana and schizophrenia have been linked in some individuals it still doesn't mean that marijuana use caused the schizophrenia. It only means that both conditions coexisted in the same individual. It does not take into account other factors such as family history of mental illness.

It means marijuana is a trigger in that for people who are susceptible to it, just like cigarette smoke is a trigger for lung diseases in those who are susceptible to it. There is no proof that either cause these things to occur in everyone, but those who are susceptible certainly are at a much higher risk of adverse effects. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug, therefore it's hardly surprising it has psychoactive side effects. When it comes to marijuana related incidents, they nearly always occur from secondary causes due to those side effects. It's important for people to know all of these things because not everyone will react to smoking or ingesting marijuana the same.

Much like alcohol, marijuana is one of those kinds of drugs that isn't dangerous (in fact, far better for fun) if you are well aware of what it does, as well as are aware of how your body reacts to it. Unfortunately I had friends who denied it's psychoactive side effects it had upon them (part of the pro marijuana movement that denies there's any negative side effects that exist, which is very dangerous), one went crazy from edibles and had a heart attack. Whereas, if he was better informed, he wouldn't have freaked out as much. In my case, I prefer edibles because marijuana smoke (and pretty much any smoke) is a trigger for various lung problems for me, and because my wife is nice enough to mix/make them for me.

[FlamesAddiction]

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_________--

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Thank you,

Justin

[Cyclops]

How anyone can argue that Marijuana shouldn't be legal is hilarious. The benefits are far greater than any negatives (please name me a few and mental illness is not one of them). It would be close to a billion dollar industry in Canada, crime from users doesn't increase as it's not addictive, it's used as medicine for many different diseases and disorders and can be grown easily. This would also open the door for other markets that come from the plant. What are the reasons not to make it legal again?


How the hell does our government say that Salvia is legal to sell yet pot isn't?

[calculoso]

Not addictive? The withdrawal effects that people go through speak otherwise.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...acts/marijuana
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2013/03...ay-experience/

etc

[irrevocable]

It's something that I do cherish and wish I had when I choose to go without. No question. In my experience, which isn't at all the end all truth, I find coffee and cigs harder to fore go.

420 love.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Not addictive? The withdrawal effects that people go through speak otherwise.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...acts/marijuana
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2013/03...ay-experience/

etc

Really? Most prescription drugs and even food products (like sugar for example) have worse withdrawl symptoms and side effects. Not to mention those symptoms might last for 2 days for a habitual weed smoker. Its all a joke.

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Not addictive? The withdrawal effects that people go through speak otherwise.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publication...acts/marijuana
http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2013/03...ay-experience/

etc

There is some useful information on THC itself in that .gov article, but it's mostly at the start, the rest of the article is almost entirely War on Drugs propaganda that only spells doom and gloom for marijuana users.