1) I do think the mods do a great job here. I would imagine dealing with a forum can be a nightmare.
2) I do not want to push away new members, which Im not sure why limiting access and posting would do.
3) I find new posters pretty east to spot. They have knowlege of the forum (e.g. Sockpuppet accounts, previous threads, certain posters) usually have the signaure and picture updated immediately, and often will jump into threads with an immediate strong opinion followed by denial.
Example, didn't UndercoverBrother deny up and down he was a returning poster until it was revealed by mod? Now I think UCB has been a great returnee, but the denial is usually a strong give away.
In these examples "The poster doth protest too much, methinks."
1) I do think the mods do a great job here. I would imagine dealing with a forum can be a nightmare.
2) I do not want to push away new members, which Im not sure why limiting access and posting would do.
3) I find new posters pretty east to spot. They have knowlege of the forum (e.g. Sockpuppet accounts, previous threads, certain posters) usually have the signaure and picture updated immediately, and often will jump into threads with an immediate strong opinion followed by denial.
Example, didn't UndercoverBrother deny up and down he was a returning poster until it was revealed by mod? Now I think UCB has been a great returnee, but the denial is usually a strong give away.
In these examples "The poster doth protest too much, methinks."
Fair comment.
Certainly, I am mentally a different individual than I was during my previous incarnation.
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And UCB is a classic example of why outing somebody publicly can be bad. His return was made on a few conditions (and mod approval); and he has lived up to his end of the bargain. Had people made him out right away, he could have returned to the behavior that got him banned in the first place. Instead we have a positive contributor to our board.
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And UCB is a classic example of why outing somebody publicly can be bad. His return was made on a few conditions (and mod approval); and he has lived up to his end of the bargain. Had people made him out right away, he could have returned to the behavior that got him banned in the first place. Instead we have a positive contributor to our board.
You know I had already declared you my favourite mod.......
- New members won't/shouldn't jump into discussion with strongly held opinions shortly after joining.
^ Can someone explain this one to me?
I guess I'll clarify.
Usually a returning poster already has some familiarity with certain topics / other posters / debates and so will almost immediately "pick-up" where they left off. It's obvious. For example some posters hate dogs, some get into racial issues, some hate stampede.
If someone comes back as a new member and immediately brings in a strong opinion on certain topics, it is hard not to link it back to old posters.
(I also admit it is not going to be 100% true that new poster hates x topic and so = old member everytime)
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And UCB is a classic example of why outing somebody publicly can be bad. His return was made on a few conditions (and mod approval); and he has lived up to his end of the bargain. Had people made him out right away, he could have returned to the behavior that got him banned in the first place. Instead we have a positive contributor to our board.
Sure, but if it has been approved and mod reviewed already, and the other members are already on to it, why keep up the denial.
It is of my opinion that a returnee should have to post under the old handle...if they truly have changed, a name difference and secret identity won't change anything.
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Yes, and sometimes we bring somebody back under their old handle. What can happen is other people who were happy to see that person gone pile onto them again; hoping they will lash out.
Sometimes it's all about finding that balance between the "locker room" feel that makes this place fun, and not letting it turn into a mob mentality.
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- New members won't/shouldn't jump into discussion with strongly held opinions shortly after joining.
^ Can someone explain this one to me?
When you join a group, society, team, etc. there should be a little bit of a feeling out period on how to act. You look around at your surroundings, and see how people act and how they talk with each other. You try and fit into the group. I'm not saying you need to become a clone, but I am saying you shouldn't go into a foreign environment acting like you own the place. Instead of swinging your ###### around to make sure everyone knows you are new and/or obnoxious, maybe try acting like a part of the society that has been created, in order to be accepted by it. You may not be who I thought you were, but you hold a lot of similar, unfavourable traits that he did. Going into threads and telling long time posters they are wrong, dumb, ninnies, etc., taking contrary opinions for the sake of being a contrarian, talking down to people, etc. is the exact opposite of what you should do.
In the month of June there have been 20 new posters. There's only one that people are questioning the motives, and isn't making many friends. You may not care if you make friends here, but I wouldn't want to go somewhere, just to annoy everyone who has been in the organization for a long time. I'd hope that in my first few days I wouldn't upset so many people that threads are created specifically for and about me, while others get so derailed because of the storm I created.
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If the majority of the community believes a poster is being disruptive, is a troll, or is a returning poster, I think that limiting what that user can do in the early stages is a good thing. If they are trying to be disruptive or a troll, this is an easy way to curb or even eliminate it.
Might it seem less welcoming? Well sure, but it will also make for a better community overall. But if someone is here to join the community to make legitimate contributions, they should stand out as such almost immediately and can be given full access quickly. But if someone is dedicated to trolling, they will find ways to keep coming back if they know they can jump right in and become a #### disturber.
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When you join a group, society, team, etc. there should be a little bit of a feeling out period on how to act. You look around at your surroundings, and see how people act and how they talk with each other. You try and fit into the group. I'm not saying you need to become a clone, but I am saying you shouldn't go into a foreign environment acting like you own the place. Instead of swinging your ###### around to make sure everyone knows you are new and/or obnoxious, maybe try acting like a part of the society that has been created, in order to be accepted by it. You may not be who I thought you were, but you hold a lot of similar, unfavourable traits that he did. Going into threads and telling long time posters they are wrong, dumb, ninnies, etc., taking contrary opinions for the sake of being a contrarian, talking down to people, etc. is the exact opposite of what you should do.
In the month of June there have been 20 new posters. There's only one that people are questioning the motives, and isn't making many friends. You may not care if you make friends here, but I wouldn't want to go somewhere, just to annoy everyone who has been in the organization for a long time. I'd hope that in my first few days I wouldn't upset so many people that threads are created specifically for and about me, while others get so derailed because of the storm I created.
Thanks for the input.
Just to bring awareness to this again, here are my first posts of this forum (ascending, meaning very first post is at the bottom):
The black highlighted part is where I began receiving the type of harassment complained about, receiving PM's, people going to other topics to call me "stormbad", and overall people just simply being disgustingly rude to someone simply for having a strong opinion they may not personally like. I also hardly call the first three posts whatsoever "swinging [insert body part] around".
I think it's pretty logical when someone sits there and receives this, especially after the post I mentioned, they will become combative. I think any person with not only strong opinions but a high self-esteem will not sit there taking abuse like there's some initiation rites of being belittled by older members to accept, or even so far as to be called troll and racist unjustifiably.
I can see from your perspective where the way I posted came off a certain way, it would be nice to see those members acknowledge how their behaviour toward new members would not cause them to act in such a manner desired by members and mods alike. It's extremely clear to me their behaviour was way out of line, and furthermore, some of the posts I read in this topic too speaks toward the notion that there's some level of acceptance that new members be treated this way.
FYI, this user was viewing this very forum as I post this, right after Trumball signed out. What a coincidence that would be.
I would hate to put a chink in the unbreakable conspiracy armour here but I have invisible mode on (I have it turned on since I registered), so if it works properly on this forum, and if you aren't a mod, you'll always see me as "offline".
So no, not a coincidence, just a really bad attempt at trying to paint Poster X as Poster Z.
