ISIS militants attack and take over Iraqi northern city of Mosul

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

It seems like there was a cell operating out of that tower in downtown that also has a Mosque at it's ground level. These guys seemed to have met there (several lived there) often. Most of these people were all going to school and living more or less regular lives just a few years ago but something/someone must have been the catalyst or their grouping created some critical mass for this.

We should airstrike that building.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

What is with the City of Calgary and it's ability to turn people into extremists.

Probably has lots to do with a few individuals recruiting them. These guys lie and take advantage of people to further their cause. It is disgusting.

[Ben_in_Canada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Another Calgary resident has gone to join jihad in Iraq. Farah Mohamed Shirdon has been found speaking on ISIS footage, and makes a threat to Canada and the U.S. Burned his Canadian passport too.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/farah-...yria-1.2680206

Weirdly enough, his uncle is the former Prime Minister of Somalia, who has had numerous attempts on his life by Al-Shabab.

####, this kid used to work for me.

[_Q_]

From my personal experience, there does seem to be a lot of extremist Muslims in Calgary.

Over a decade ago one of my friends took me to a mosque that wasn't affiliated with the mainstream Calgary Islamic society. I didn't think much of that at the time, but after listening to the Imam preaching I got the impression that he had some pretty radical ideas. Asked a few friends if they had heard about the guy and they said that the mosque he preaches at was kicked out of the Islamic society and that he's being watched by CSIS. After I learned that I thought it was a good idea to stay away from them. My friend that took me there, however, became radicalized and ended up a couple years later getting arrested in Syria. He spent about a year in jail there before being released and returning to Canada.

I always thought that CSIS had a good grip on these sorts of things, but apparently they aren't doing enough.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by _Q_

From my personal experience, there does seem to be a lot of extremist Muslims in Calgary.

Over a decade ago one of my friends took me to a mosque that wasn't affiliated with the mainstream Calgary Islamic society. I didn't think much of that at the time, but after listening to the Imam preaching I got the impression that he had some pretty radical ideas. Asked a few friends if they had heard about the guy and they said that the mosque he preaches at was kicked out of the Islamic society and that he's being watched by CSIS. After I learned that I thought it was a good idea to stay away from them. My friend that took me there, however, became radicalized and ended up a couple years later getting arrested in Syria. He spent about a year in jail there before being released and returning to Canada.

I always thought that CSIS had a good grip on these sorts of things, but apparently they aren't doing enough.

Did your friend learn his lesson or does he still hold extremist views?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Did your friend learn his lesson or does he still hold extremist views?

I don't talk to him anymore. I saw him when he came back from Syria once and he was greatful for this country and all it has provided him. I'm not sure what he's up to now however as its been over 5 years since I've last talked to him.

[Daradon]

^^^ You would think a person like that would be invaluable to the Islamic community here in Calgary and Canada. He could look out for the warning signs in others, speak to those at risk, talk about his personal experiences. Help them see what he had to learn the hard way.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Daradon

^^^ You would think a person like that would be invaluable to the Islamic community here in Calgary and Canada. He could look out for the warning signs in others, speak to those at risk, talk about his personal experiences. Help them see what he had to learn the hard way.

I've never looked at it that way actually, but that's a good point.

I guess because radical Muslims are so stigmatized in North America, the moderates natural reaction is to stay clear of people like my friend. I mean the first thing that went on in my head when my buddy started going crazy was "Stay away from this dude, there's no need to be blacklisted by CSIS"

[Daradon]

Well of course, I'm not suggesting that people risk their lives or livelihoods by hanging out with someone who is, or was, radicalized. But I would think that he, the larger Islamic community, and the organizations in Canada that should be working with the Islamic community would want people like your friend to help the situation if he could. And that he would have a lot to offer. To the legitimate Islamic community and to Canada and anti-terrorism/radical movements (for lack of a better term).

If he let his leaders (the legitimate ones, not the radical ones) and the law enforcement communities know he wanted to help, you think they would welcome the idea with open arms no? Or do you think, they think, that he (and people in situations like him) might still be a threat?

In seeing what I saw on CBC this morning, and some of the comments in this thread, it doesn't sound like a lot of the law enforcement organizations are really working with the Islamic community for community based approaches, including things like this which seem like they could really have a positive effect.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Well there's a difference between enforcing segregation and encouraging integration. Take France for example. While you (Captain) might be right in saying they didn't ENFORCE segregation, a lot of their policies did nothing to encourage integration, which is necessary.

Part of the reason immigrants end up self segregating is because they aren't given the tools, programs, or nudge to integrate. As well as face racial tensions that cause them to retreat to what they know.

Yeah, I think a lot of people also forget that Europe is still incredibly racist in a lot of areas.

[Ozy_Flame]

Although it was anecdotal a few years ago, a colleague of mine at the City told me how there was a proposal submitted by a community group to the City to have a gated, Muslim-only community in Calgary. They used Chinatown as their precedent (the two are nowhere near similar). The City nixed that promptly.

The minute we start creating community silos based on religious grounds we are really running down a dangerous path.

I'm with Cap, I want integration to be a central objective for new Canadians. Not sure how to successfully guarantee that though.

[Doodlebug]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Although it was anecdotal a few years ago, a colleague of mine at the City told me how there was a proposal submitted by a community group to the City to have a gated, Muslim-only community in Calgary. They used Chinatown as their precedent (the two are nowhere near similar). The City nixed that promptly.

The minute we start creating community silos based on religious grounds we are really running down a dangerous path.

I'm with Cap, I want integration to be a central objective for new Canadians. Not sure how to successfully guarantee that though.

This project in the far SE corner seems to have gotten the go ahead from council. Although its not strictly a "gated muslim only community".

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Is...930/story.html

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Daradon

^^^ You would think a person like that would be invaluable to the Islamic community here in Calgary and Canada. He could look out for the warning signs in others, speak to those at risk, talk about his personal experiences. Help them see what he had to learn the hard way.

Or we should send him back to Syria.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Doodlebug

This project in the far SE corner seems to have gotten the go ahead from council. Although its not strictly a "gated muslim only community".

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Is...930/story.html

I don't know what to think about this.

Part of me says, if you want to build a community and worship centre that abides by all the laws and bylaws, then what's the big deal?

Another part of me says, this will only cause segregation, like we see in Europe.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I don't know what to think about this.

Part of me says, if you want to build a community and worship centre that abides by all the laws and bylaws, then what's the big deal?

Another part of me says, this will only cause segregation, like we see in Europe.

Solution: find a large Mormon congregation to build a temple across the street, a Jewish congregation to build a synagogue complex kitty corner, and an Atheist group to occupy the 4th corner.. then build a giant plaza in the middle for mingling.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

Solution: find a large Mormon congregation to build a temple across the street, a Jewish congregation to build a synagogue complex kitty corner, and an Atheist group to occupy the 4th corner.. then build a giant plaza in the middle for mingling.

Or sectarian violence

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Or sectarian violence

Then on top of that call it Mecca Square.

[GGG]

Education of children is the key. The government needs to carefully watch private religious schools of all denominations to make sure Canadian values are taught. To me anyone who went through all their education in canada ends up more canadian culturaly then their parents culture and by the second gen they are almost indistinguishable.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

Solution: find a large Mormon congregation to build a temple across the street, a Jewish congregation to build a synagogue complex kitty corner, and an Atheist group to occupy the 4th corner.. then build a giant plaza in the middle for mingling.

Now you might be on to something if they held services the same day of the week.

[jofillips]

i sure bet calgary has them but have you seen the christian complexes and 'training camps' in red deer? They even have a religous supermarket there!!!
I find all those complexes more offensive than a mosque lol