Ryan O Reilly

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Even strength stats last season:

O'Rielly 80 games 19 goals 42 pts .525 ppg even strength

Stajan 64 games 14 goals 32 pts .5 ppg even strength


Put Stajan out on the PP with Mackinnon, Duchense, Landeskog and Statsny and he would have had more than 1 pp assist.

are you trying to imply that Stajan is a better player than ROR? or even in the same neighborhood? If Stajan was on the Avs he would be hard pressed to get into the lineup.

Wait and see what the avs get for ROR and then you will know his value

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Mackinnon had 63pts as an 18 year old. I'll take our chances with our 2015 pick.

1st overall in a good year, its a little different...nobody said he is better than Mackinnon

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

1st overall in a good year, its a little different...nobody said he is better than Mackinnon

Well if you read my entire post it says Id rather keep our 2015 pick which has players that very well could be equal or better than Mackinnon.

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Haha I wouldn't do it if I was treliving. Just curious what peoples thoughts on the matter were.


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[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Some percentage have, so I would need to decide if he is enough for me to give up that chance. It also depends on the specific draft and who might be available.

Yes - some percentage.
Maybe 2%?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Yes - some percentage.

Maybe 2%?

That sounds a tad optimistic - of all picks ever 6-15 he's in the top 2%?

[Hackey]

You guys are debating a pick we don't even have.

[Hackey]

And ya it would obviously be more like 15-20% because I'm sure there is atleast a player or two in that range who is better every year. Regardless the exact pick and the exact draft are what matter.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Hackey

And ya it would obviously be more like 15-20% because I'm sure there is atleast a player or two in that range who is better every year. Regardless the exact pick and the exact draft are what matter.

Exactly

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by edslunch

That sounds a tad optimistic - of all picks ever 6-15 he's in the top 2%?

Way too early to judge recent drafts, but yeah - right now I'd be pretty confident in saying there is not more than 5 guys better from 6-15 since since 2004 draft - so 5%?

2005 - Kopitar
2007 - Couture, McDonagh
2008 - Karlsson

There may be others who could have included, like Oliver Ekman-Larsson (who I think will be outstanding), but I'm not sure. But, as I said, too early to judge recent drafts.

interestingly, O'Reilly has pretty similar stats to Kane (same draft year). I don't think you'd get him out of Winnipeg for 10th ov pick

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Hackey

And ya it would obviously be more like 15-20% because I'm sure there is atleast a player or two in that range who is better every year. Regardless the exact pick and the exact draft are what matter.

I'd Like to see your list of 20 better right now

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I would say OEL is at least equal right now especially with the slow development of defensemen. I had Skinner at least equal with ROR as well but I think ROR defensive game is way overrated so could see if people think he is a top defensive/Selke kind of guy why they would have ROR over Skinner.

I would say from the last 10 drafts too early to tell but guys that could be equal/better: Monahan, Nichuskin, Schiefle, Couturier, Lindholm, Trouba, Hamilton.

I think guys who are pretty close from the past 10 years: Granlund, Okposo, Marc Staal, Voracek, Bernier.

If you consider that the last two drafts are a little early to tell with guys development and include the 2003 and 2002 drafts you get:

2003- Suter, Carter, Seabrook who are definitely better Brown, Phaneuf who are close
2002- Nobody really maybe Big tuna tries to put Lupul close

So about 5-10% seems to be the chance of getting a better guy and likely 20% of getting a similar guy depending on your opinion of ROR and others.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Um. For a 23 year old, 64 points is pretty f###ing good.

For a 23 year old? That's about the age forwards start peaking offensively.

Edit: Yes I agree that is pretty good, I just see a lot of discrediting of youth in hockey culture when in reality those early 20s are many guys best years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Well if you read my entire post it says Id rather keep our 2015 pick which has players that very well could be equal or better than Mackinnon.

HIGHLY unlikely

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'd Like to see your list of 20 better right now

Right this second? Well I don't really have the time right this second but if it means as much to you as you make it seem I will. And I said roughly 15-20% or 1-2 per year. Still don't quite understand why you care so much when we don't even have a pick in that range. Pretty random thing to care about.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

HIGHLY unlikely

Well put. You've proved your point.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Well put. You've proved your point.

well use your brain, people get all hyped up about the draft...honestly how many players are going to be "equal or better than Mackinnon"

one probably, Maybe two but probably not...Chances of the Flames picking #1 are SLIM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

well use your brain, people get all hyped up about the draft...honestly how many players are going to be "equal or better than Mackinnon"

one probably, Maybe two but probably not...Chances of the Flames picking #1 are SLIM

Early reports have McDavid, Eichel and Hanafin at least equal, if not better, prospects than MacKinnon.

Right now only the Sabres look to be definitely worse than the Flames heading into next season and a bottom 5, probably bottom 3, finish looks likely (still early and FA may change that).

So with 3 potential guys as good or better than MacKinnon and the Flames looking like they have a good chance to have one of those top 3 picks it doesn't seem HIGHLY unlikely that they get a player better than MacKinnon with their 2015 pick.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I'd Like to see your list of 20 better right now

2001 - Koivu, Hamhuis
2002 - Lupul, Semin
2003 - Vanek, Suter, Carter, Brown, Seabrook
2004 -
2005 - Price, Kopitar, Staal
2006 - Kessel, Okposo
2007 - Voracek, Couture, McDonagh
2008 - Karlsson
2009 - Ekman-Larsson
2010 - Skinner

1-2 a year like I said. And before you start arguing specific names remember we don't even have a pick from 5-15 so this was all pointless to begin with.

[Rick M.]

And William Nylander was the projected number one heading into this year's draft. Players often look better in the year before they are drafted. Just sayin'.