Northern Gateway

[Senator Clay Davis]

Getting approved and getting built are two seperate things. Will it get approved? Most likely. Will it get built? We shall see how fierce the opposition really is.

[GGG]

There is no way Harper can deny it. If he denys the pipeline through his pristine wilderness how can he ever hope for the US to approve Keystone. I agree with SCD above that it actually getting built will still be a battle.

It think the enviromental impacts of the pipeline itself are overblown but the port concerns are huge. Shipping out heavy oil through kitamat is definately a legitamate concern. Eventually there will be an oil spill.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

NDP are a strong leader away from being in power for 10 - 15 years in BC. Liberals can't keep playing with fire with doing stuff that smacks directly into the face of the voters.

If the people don't want it, the Liberals will put it to a referendum so they don't have to make a choice.

I'm not so sure about that. The distrust of the NDP runs deep here. Deep enough for them to lose what should have been a guaranteed win. I think they should rebrand completely.

If there's a referendum the pipeline is dead. Too little benefit to too few British Columbians at too high a price.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That is not an option. It's either approve, not approve or send back to NEB.

Would the "approved" status not support the 209 conditions proposed by the NEB, though?

[rubecube]

Yeah, I don't think it really matters what happens at the federal level. The rumblings for a provincial referendum here in BC are already fairly loud and, if it goes to the ballot it'll get crushed.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

I'm not so sure about that. The distrust of the NDP runs deep here. Deep enough for them to lose what should have been a guaranteed win. I think they should rebrand completely.

That's because the NDP have yet to have a leader who was anything but a joke. Carole "The Robot" James had no charisma and absolutely no will to win an election. The Liberals should have been out after Campbell was nailed for dui. He certainly should have been forced to step down. But what did James do? Let it go. Just like she let every major mistake Campbell made go.

So after close to ten years of failure and letting the Liberals off the hook, who do the NDP go to? A guy who has barely any more leadership skills, but to make sure the Liberals were safe they also made sure he was one of the only guys with any connections left to the reason they've been a laughing stock since '99.

The NDP had access to more than one great candidate and instead they chose the one guy who would give the Liberals an opening. BC NDP can't save themselves from themselves, the entire leadership needs to be purged. But the Liberal leadership is shrewd enough to know they can't be as obnoxious as they were through the early 2000s. That political capital they gained by simply "Not being Glenn Clark's NDP" is all but gone. If the NDP end up with someone even half competent during the next election cycle, they could be in trouble.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

That's because the NDP have yet to have a leader who was anything but a joke. Carole "The Robot" James had no charisma and absolutely no will to win an election. The Liberals should have been out after Campbell was nailed for dui. He certainly should have been forced to step down. But what did James do? Let it go. Just like she let every major mistake Campbell made go.

So after close to ten years of failure and letting the Liberals off the hook, who do the NDP go to? A guy who has barely any more leadership skills, but to make sure the Liberals were safe they also made sure he was one of the only guys with any connections left to the reason they've been a laughing stock since '99.

The NDP had access to more than one great candidate and instead they chose the one guy who would give the Liberals an opening. BC NDP can't save themselves from themselves, the entire leadership needs to be purged. But the Liberal leadership is shrewd enough to know they can't be as obnoxious as they were through the early 2000s. That political capital they gained by simply "Not being Glenn Clark's NDP" is all but gone. If the NDP end up with someone even half competent during the next election cycle, they could be in trouble.

Not to mention they've done just about done everything they can to alienate themselves from the public sector employees and various unions. The teachers' strike isn't even getting the usual 50/50 blame from the public. People are fully pissed at Clark and rightfully so.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Would the "approved" status not support the 209 conditions proposed by the NEB, though?

If they approve it it has to comply with the 209 conditions. They can't cherry pick which conditions, it's either all or nothing, or send it back for further consideration to the NEB.

[rubecube]

Well this should go over well on this board...

Justin Trudeau, MP ‏@JustinTrudeau 8m Northern Gateway puts the coastal economy and the environment at risk. This is no place for a pipeline. Mr. Harper should reject it.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well this should go over well on this board...

Justin Trudeau, MP ‏@JustinTrudeau 8m Northern Gateway puts the coastal economy and the environment at risk. This is no place for a pipeline. Mr. Harper should reject it.

Well now he HAS to approve it. Can't agree with that twat.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Well now he HAS to approve it. Can't agree with that twat.

Since Trudeau supports Keystone XL, does that mean Harper should block it to avoid agreeing with "that twat"?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Well now he HAS to approve it. Can't agree with that twat.

It's the obvious political move for Trudeau to make. The Liberals are trying to claw back a few seats in BC, and Alberta is always a lost cause for them anyways.

EDIT: It's also more likely a move against the NDP than the Conservatives.

[nik-]

This is happening after market close today right?

edit: duh, in first post

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

This is happening after market close today right?

edit: duh, in first post

Correct

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's the obvious political move for Trudeau to make. The Liberals are trying to claw back a few seats in BC, and Alberta is always a lost cause for them anyways.

EDIT: It's also more likely a move against the NDP than the Conservatives.

Trudeau's actually been very clear about his opinion on Northern Gateway for awhile now. He mentioned support for the Energy East line though. We'll see if that past support holds up when it's Energy East's time to receive approval.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Justin Trudeau, MP ‏@JustinTrudeau 8m Northern Gateway puts the coastal economy and the environment at risk. This is no place for a pipeline. Mr. Harper should reject it.

Nothing but political posturing for votes. Environmental groups don't create jobs, and don't provide revenue for the government. Trudeau knows what keeps this country running economically.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Trudeau's actually been very clear about his opinion on Northern Gateway for awhile now. He mentioned support for the Energy East line though. We'll see if that past support holds up when it's Energy East's time to receive approval.

From what I've read, the only proposed pipeline Trudeau is specifically against is Northern Gateway. He's been a vocal supporter of Keystone XL, Energy East, and the proposed expansion of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline that carries Alberta oil to BC's lower mainland.

http://commonsensecanadian.ca/REPORT...ine-vancouver/

[burn_this_city]

I'd rather see Energy East, KXL, and Transmountain go forward rather than Northern Gateway. Kinder Morgan's pipeline to Burnaby is a more sensible established route that puts tankers in Vancouver rather than Kitimat.

[nik-]

So why is there preference for building a new pipeline over expanding the existing?

[burn_this_city]

You can't really expand the existing TM line, Kinder Morgan would be twinning it along the same right of way.