Cycling Thread

[pylon]

The bike is primarily powered by a motor. I am sorry, you are more of the grampa using motor assist. I am not knocking down your choice, but don't sell that as a 'bicycle'. It's an e-bike. Just like a motorcycle is a motorcycle...(They should technically be called engine cycles, but I digress.)

I bought my frikkin Ducati M900 (total grampa mobile I know ) for less than you have in that thing.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

The bike is primarily powered by a motor. I am sorry, you are more of the grampa using motor assist. I am not knocking down your choice, but don't sell that as a 'bicycle'. It's an e-bike. Just like a motorcycle is a motorcycle...(They should technically be called engine cycles, but I digress.)

I bought my frikkin Ducati M900 (total grampa mobile I know ) for less than you have in that thing.

The difference is I still have to pedeal. I didn't know ducati khad a new pedeal powered ducati 900. Must of missed that in the last edition on Cycle world. Mabey its listed as the p-900? Don't pretend you were not trying to knock my choice of transport tho. It demeans us both. And yes I am a more of a grandpa tho I admit. I have hip dysplasia and Osteoarthritis. So I guess I'll never be a real cyclist again.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I pedeal that beast too. And I sometimes use the red ####### as well.If it was a motorcycle you'd have a point. It would require a license and insurance. You dont even know the motor wattage. It In Canada it can't be over 500 . you still got a pedal. Just cuz I'm not a traditionalist does not mean I don't peddle. Its OK grandpa the times are a changing its ok to be confused. To be devils advocate you don't obviously know the difference between the two. Your a purist and I respect that but the motor only in gages on a hill. Its a .P.A.S. System that only engages when the tourque.(NQ) reackes a certain pressure on the chain. %90 percent of the time is just waiting. Thanks Tho. I'm not trying to be a dick but smartass remarks like that are what rig pigs say when you try to give an alternative energy solution .

P.s that thing has had a Electric Assist for only a couple of months. I have been doing the same route 5 plus years now. Don't be A complete dick. I've been peddling as many kms a week as you use your car.

Absolute BS. If your average speed is over 40 KPH like you claimed, there is no way in a million years you are only using electric assist on a hill. The most roided up pro cyclist in the world couldn't pedal that thing 40 KPH on flat land with that ridiculous riding position. The thing is part fashion statement, part e-bike. Let alone the fact it has no gearing. And also, you claim you built it like that for durability, and to handle potholes. There are guys out there with 20 year old chromoly frame bikes that pedal every day 7/365, and their bikes handle it fine. The best of the best on 16 pound, pro level, carbon road bikes have trouble averaging speeds like that in an urban setting once you factor in hills. If you are averaging 40 KPH that means you are peddling it, without assist, on flats at around 60 KPH.

Also, why don't you check out the Tesla thread for my opinion on alt energy. I am in the frikkin car business, and I desperately want electric cars to come out en masse.... even though it will probably cut my income in half.

And, how do you know how much I drive, ride and pedal? A lot of assumptions being made there. I average 300 K/week (pedalling) through the riding season. Maybe not quite as much as you, but at least I am powering each and every click.

Edit: Just noticed the suicide shifter which I'll admit is neat, and incredibly dangerous lol. So you are geared. But please, upload a video of that thing being pedalled at 50KPH, no assist. That would be epic, and I will bow down to you.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

Absolute BS. If your average speed is over 40 KPH like you claimed, there is no way in a million years you are only using electric assist on a hill. The most roided up pro cyclist in the world couldn't pedal that thing 40 KPH on flat land with that ridiculous riding position. The thing is part fashion statement, part e-bike. Let alone the fact it has no gearing. And also, you claim you built it like that for durability, and to handle potholes. There are guys out there with 20 year old chromoly frame bikes that pedal every day 7/365, and their bikes handle it fine. The best of the best on 16 pound, pro level, carbon road bikes have trouble averaging speeds like that in an urban setting once you factor in hills. If you are averaging 40 KPH that means you are peddling it, without assist, on flats at around 60 KPH.

Also, why don't you check out the Tesla thread for my opinion on alt energy. I am in the frikkin car business, and I desperately want electric cars to come out en masse.... even though it will probably cut my income in half.

And, how do you know how much I drive and ride? A lot of assumptions being made there. I average 300 K/week through the riding season. Maybe not quite as much as you, but at least I am powering each and every click.

Not bull##it elite road cyclists may produce 1,600 to 1,700 watts which means the expell 1.5 to 1.70 HP of powet half of an electric motor bike and 1/3 of what me and that motor put together. For a guy with as many health problems as I have I'm a cyclist. Yes I know all about Tesla motors no need to read it. My buddy is a engineer there. They battery I'm using is based of a similar design and the same Panasonic "A" 18650 cells they use. I'm being defensive because I have good reason to have the assist based on my needs. And your a car guy and a road biker that sees a threat to his job and his hobby. Also I'm not traveling in an urban setting I'm ttavillimg on a flat 8 foot wide trail. The lochsidebtrail from Victoria to Sidney.


Edit. I just saw your edit so.. I could again those on that bike because of the semi- recumbent position. Its only because I have had recent health issues I've had the assist has made it easier than opting for a old persons scooter and not keeping active. I respect your opinion but to jump all over me that Its not a bicycle is contrary to what Icbc and the government has set otherwise. Those chromoly bikes do just fine because like you said and I already stated the problem is ALUMINUM BIKES ARE THE ONES THAT CANT HANDLE IT. There stiff with no give they snap before they flex.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Not bull##it elite road cyclists may produce 1,600 to 1,700 watts which means the expell 1.5 to 1.70 HP of powet half of an electric motor bike and 1/3 of what me and that motor put together. For a guy with as many health problems as I have I'm a cyclist. Yes I know all about Tesla motors no need to read it. My buddy is a engineer there. They battery I'm using is based of a similar design and the same Panasonic "A" 18650 cells they use. I'm being defensive because I have good reason to have the assist based on my needs. And your a car guy and a road biker that sees a threat to his job and his hobby. Also I'm not traveling in an urban setting I'm ttavillimg on a flat 8 foot wide trail. The lochsidebtrail from Victoria to Sidney.

LOL wut?

The second Calgary has a Tesla dealer, I am ordering one. I absolutely embrace the idea of electric cars. I'll be the first guy dropping off a job application. My post from the Tesla thread, I see it as a great threat, one the world needs:

Originally Posted by pylon

Personally I already would qualify it as one, but many years from now, this will be regarded as an incredible act of philanthropy. We are talking billions of dollars Musk just took a waiver on, for the greater good of mankind. This will speed up the development of electric cars for some manufacturers by decades.

This move, could very well could be one of the big game changers on the automotive playing field. As a guy that works in this business, the wide scale adoption of electric cars cannot come soon enough.

I guess not all billionaires want to sit in their floating lair, watching the world burn.

Secondly, you are not the only guy suffering pain. I have had both knees shot with cortisone in the last 2 months just so I could straighten my legs in the morning, post from this very thread:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1167

I empathize with your health problems as well, as I am just learning to cope with mine. But every single assumption you are making is wrong. Just because I don't like your bike, doesn't mean I am stupid. I have been cycling for 35 years, on high end, and low end. I have been in incredible condition, and my current fatass, busted up, wrecked knees condition, and I can tell you, you are not pedalling that at an average speed of 40 KPH only using the electric for hill assist. Especially if you have such serious health problems. Pro triathletes hover around the 42-45 KPH range on ridiculous aerodynamic bikes.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

ALUMINUM BIKES ARE THE ONES THAT CANT HANDLE IT. There stiff with no give they snap before they flex.

This is my 4 year old, carbon forked, $1500 aluminum commuter with about 9-10,000 kms on it. It is as good as the day I started building it, and I expect it to last me another decade. And it has experienced hundreds of rim bending Calgary potholes. There are some incredibly durable Aluminum frames if you buy from the right manufacturer. 6061 T6 is as strong as chromoly, outside of throwing it off a building.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

LOL wut?

The second Calgary has a Tesla dealer, I am ordering one. I absolutely embrace the idea of electric cars. I'll be the first guy dropping off a job application. My post from the Tesla thread, I see it as a great threat, one the world needs:



Secondly, you are not the only guy suffering pain. I have had both knees shot with cortisone in the last 2 months just so I could straighten my legs in the morning, post from this very thread:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=1167

I empathize with your health problems as well, as I am just learning to cope with mine. But every single assumption you are making is wrong. Just because I don't like your bike, doesn't mean I am stupid. I have been cycling for 35 years, on high end, and low end. I have been in incredible condition, and my current fatass, busted up, wrecked knees condition, and I can tell you, you are not pedalling that at an average speed of 40 KPH only using the electric for hill assist. Especially if you have such serious health problems. Pro triathletes hover around the 42-45 KPH range on ridiculous aerodynamic bikes.

Well we will have to agree to disagree then. But I still think your kinda being a dick.people honing to hate. No hard feelings tho. The only thing I'm going to even reply to your responses is aluminum t6 grade without 450f treatment is weak . t6 grade whether it be a 6000 or 7000 grade is not as strong as chromoly. Point in case you dent or apply the littlest amount of heat the annealing from it is removed. Then its not much stronger than a couple of beer cans stacked on top of each other.

[pylon]

I don't disagree that your bike is neat. I dig anything that is human or engine powered. I currently have 3 bicycles, 2 motorcycles, 2 cars, and lol..... a drone. I'm pretty much the ultimate gear head, and I can appreciate the design. I am just questioning the 40 KPH average part, that's all. I literally have to kill myself to hit 45-46 for more than a minute on flats, in the best shape I've been in, on my Trek Madone.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

I don't disagree that your bike is neat. I dig anything that is human or engine powered. I currently have 3 bicycles, 2 motorcycles, 2 cars, and lol..... a drone. I'm pretty much the ultimate gear head, and I can appreciate the design. I am just questioning the 40 KPH average part, that's all. I literally have to kill myself to hit 45-46 for more than a minute on flats, in the best shape I've been in, on my Trek Madone.

I can understand that . remember I'm a lot younger than you. I Have the enegery to expell( that's not a shot at you in any way). And if you check the edit on my last post you can see my thought on aluminum frames.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Well we will have to agree to disagree then. But I still think your kinda being a dick.people honing to hate. No hard feelings tho. The only thing I'm going to even reply to your responses is aluminum t6 grade without 450f treatment is weak . t6 grade whether it be a 6000 or 7000 grade is not as strong as chromoly. Point in case you dent or apply the littlest amount of heat the annealing from it is removed. Then its not much stronger than a couple of beer cans stacked on top of each other.

You do realize that virtually every mid-range commuter is made from aluminum now, and many manufacturers offer lifetime frame warranties... right? The lengths you would have to go to to trash a high quality aluminum frame, would typically write the bike off anyway. I weigh 230, and I don't ride gentle.

Also I meant 6066 aluminum not 6061. It is what made Devinci's aluminum frames so coveted. There is a massive strength difference between the two.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I can understand that . remember I'm a lot younger than you. I Have the enegery to expell( that's not a shot at you in any way). And if you check the edit on my last post you can see my thought on aluminum frames.

OK sport....lol. Because being in your 30's means you lose drastic amounts of endurance and strength. My god you are ill informed.

This is my advice to you. Since you are able to average 40 KPH unassisted, on your 3 speed, 55 pound, west coast recumbent chopper suspension bike, with osteo arthritis and bad hips, I suggest you immediately contact BRC and Colnago for immediate sponsorship, because you are without a doubt the worlds most gifted cyclist. You should be making millions.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

You do realize that virtually every mid-range commuter is made from aluminum now, and many manufacturers offer lifetime frame warranties... right? The lengths you would have to go to to trash a high quality aluminum frame, would typically write the bike off anyway. I weigh 230, and I don't ride gentle.

Also I meant 6066 aluminum not 6061. It is what made Devinci's aluminum frames so coveted. There is a massive strength difference between the two.

Their is not much of a diffence in 6000 grades of aluminum unless your annealing it. 7000 grade is much better but still fails if dented or heated. Its the secondary metals they had in to each mixture of alloy that streghtens it via heeat works then chilling it to extreme levels. Aluminum dented or heated gets ruined. 4130 chromoly you can take a hammer too and it still is strong. If aluminum frames were sent to take real abuse stret bmx/MTB riders who ride in skateparks/street/trials would be using them. Their are a few limited number sponsered riders who do but they get their frames free as they break.


Edit: tell that to my friend who had a Synapse 3 where the frame snapped and ended up 2 inches in his leg. He now rides Surly Chromo frames exclusively.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

OK sport....lol. Because being in your 30's means you lose drastic amounts of endurance and strength. My god you are ill informed.

This is my advice to you. Since you are able to average 40 KPH unassisted, on your 3 speed, 55 pound, west coast recumbent chopper suspension bike, with osteo arthritis and bad hips, I suggest you immediately contact BRC and Colnago for immediate sponsorship, because you are without a doubt the worlds most gifted cyclist. You should be making millions.

OK I'll get right on that. Colnago even said they'll wipe my ass for me in between stages of the race too. Golly gee If It wasn't for your swell advice I might have had to wipe my own ass. Although Theo the downside is they want me to shave my legs , wear spandex and stop smoking my prescription pot and start taking steroids instead.

Edit. Just to correct you this style of bike surprisingly was made popular in Europe.

[pylon]

LOL, you are totally the hipster know-it-all guy that every single LBS employee loathes. Where do you get your information?

a) 6066 is 40% stronger than 6061, I would call that significant.

b) Pro MTB and downhill riders have used aluminum frames for decades, and many still do. Frames snapping and puncturing legs is ridiculously uncommon. In fact I think your friend is a first. How the hell does a road bike spontaneously snap in half and puncture your leg unless you are riding it like a BMX?

c) Why do i give a crap how 'dent resistant' or skate park worthy a frikkin 700c commuter is? Oh wait lemme guess. You're all edgy, and bang your bike up to make it look all weathered and cooler..... I guess if I abused my stuff like that, it would be a useful feature.

d) Professional motocross bikes are built out of aluminum, and take 10X the abuse of a downhill bike.

There are guys on this forum that ride much more, and much more abusive than you, on old aluminum frames, and thats a fact... And they are still 100% in tact. Oh wait. Lemme guess, you ride your 55 pound, recumbent, west coast chopper, banana seat e-bike in world class downhill competitions, and post world record descent times.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

LOL, you are totally the hipster know-it-all guy that every single LBS employee loathes. Where do you get your information?

a) 6066 is 40% stronger than 6061, I would call that significant.

b) Pro MTB and downhill riders have used aluminum frames for decades, and many still do. Frames snapping and puncturing legs is ridiculously uncommon. In fact I think your friend is a first. How the hell does a road bike spontaneously snap in half and puncture your leg unless you are riding it like a BMX?

c) Why do i give a crap how 'dent resistant' or skate park worthy a frikkin 700c commuter is? Oh wait lemme guess. You're all edgy, and bang your bike up to make it look all weathered and cooler..... I guess if I abused my stuff like that, it would be a useful feature.



d) Professional motocross bikes are built out of aluminum, and take 10X the abuse of a downhill bike.
rThere are guys on this forum that ride much more, and much more abusive than you, on old aluminum frames, and thats a fact... And they are still 100% in tact. Oh wait. Lemme guess, you ride your 55 pound, recumbent, west coast chopper, banana seat e-bike in world class downhill competitions, and post world record descent times.

Yup golly gee mister you so are smart. I'm totally a hipster yet I make fun of them all the time. O boy you sure got me. First of all screw the lbs with exception to recycleistas and Bicycleitis here. The guys at one shop herw thought brazing was stronger than weldimg . FML.They know what the ####ing bicycle company's tell them about their products. Being a Chef is my job that pays my schooling for being a ####ing MACHINIST. Ok so 40 percent stronger in aluminum is like upgrading from soda can to soup can.


The bolded should matter because we are arguing of tensile strength over all of which is stronger. This is kinda important to see what is stronger steall or aluminum . Since you have no real argument your attacking me personally. And yes Downhill bikes crack all the time and Motocross tithes use 7000 grade aluminum frames on Dirt with Hi tech suspension systems

[pylon]

I will leave it at this.

Upload a video. Showing us all, on GPS, (not a speedo which is incredibly easy to mis-calibrate) you pedalling that thing, with the battery off of it, for 2 minutes, at a sustained speed of 40 KPH. If you claimed average speed is:

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

My bike weighs about 55lbs. No way is it light. Light bikes at the speed I can attain would snap as my average speed is well over 40km/H.

Then you should have ZERO issues doing it, and becoming CPs cycling god.

My problem isn't you or your bike, it is your ridiculous claims.

[combustiblefuel]

Did you even thinkwhy Air planes are riveted on the skin plane? It cant event handle a little tIGWWeld. If it was the same sheerness of meteal it could. All these small aspects determine which is truly better. If alumnuim was so great our tools would also be forged out of them. Axel nuts would never strip. Our buildings would use aluminum support beams. FML . Hipster haha more like redneck. After your first comment you made it sound like you worked in a bike shop that hates being told you might be wrong.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

I will leave it at this.

Upload a video. Showing us all, on GPS, (not a speedo which is incredibly easy to mis-calibrate) you pedalling that thing, with the battery off of it, for 2 minutes, at a sustained speed of 40 KPH. If you claimed average speed is:



Then you should have ZERO issues doing it, and becoming CPs cycling god.

My problem isn't you or your bike, it is your ridiculous claims.

Yup you spring for a couple hundred dollar GPS ( gotta be expensive cuz I'm to dumb to make sure me expensive (electronic train/electric vechile speedo I use after all USS hipsters can't think allto well with my sisters jeans cutting of all that blood). You lost on tesile strengths . Now you just are clinging on to any part of our dissvussimg you think yoi might have a chance.I have no need to prove anything. You asked for pics of my commuter. Then when I showed you you made a sneaky little backhanded remark.I replied defensively. Repeat steps two and three. And there you go. Its not your bike I have a problem with Its your ridiculous claims for aluminum .

[pylon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Since you have no real argument your attacking me personally. And yes Downhill bikes crack all the time and Motocross tithes use 7000 grade aluminum frames on Dirt with Hi tech suspension systems

Nope. Predominantly 6061 t6. I sold motorcycles for a couple years.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Yup you spring for a couple hundred dollar GPS ( gotta be expensive cuz I'm to dumb to make sure me expensive (electronic train/electric vechile speedo I use after all USS hipsters can't think allto well with my sisters jeans cutting of all that blood). You lost on tesile strengths . Now you just want me to jump on comanned. I have no need to prove anything. You asked for pics of my commuter. Then when I showed you you made a sneaky little backhanded remark.

If you have a smart phone.... there's an app for that.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by pylon

Nope. Predominantly 6061 t6. I sold motorcycles for a couple years.



If you have a smart phone.... there's an app for that.

That's a load of #### the majority of manufacturers use 7005 . honda use to but then made the switch.
Ya those apps are #### compared to what I use.