Maybe from a Canadian perspective. The Democratic Party is certainly left of where it was in the Clinton days.
In 1993, the Clinton administration's proposed healthcare reform bill (spearheaded by Hillary) was a government run, single-payer, universal system like most other industrialized western democracies. Newt Gingrich's counter-proposal was private insurance model with an individual mandate. His proposed solution was later adopted by the state of Massachusetts where it was colloquially known as "Romneycare". This later served as the template for the Affordable Care Act, aka "Obamacare".
Yeah, the Democrats sure have shifted to the left since the Clinton days.
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By the way, I'd love to dong punt Boehner if I saw him.
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Yes, but Clinton was basically a moderate republican. Especially with him making a bunch of compromises with them.
If the Republicans weren't crazy right now, I'm sure that Obama would make similar compromises with them as well.
Even Obamacare is a far right wing idea from the Heritage Foundation. If he was a liberal, he would've just made it medicare for all.
I am one of the few conservatives that has the balls to say that we need a single payer system here. However, I don't like the way things are being implemented now. We should've done a better job on the roll out, we should of done a better job to make sure checks are in place to make sure that it's not being abused. I'm not looking forward to see what my health insurance is going to jump this winter.
what's scaring the American public the most is how the VA is going to be used as an example on how our government can run health care for everyone not just vets.
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this really started the last two or three years of Bush when everything went down hill. The democrats did whatever they could to make republicans look bad and didn't work with them then the republicans acted like children and did the same thing when Obama came into office.
It's a damn disgrace, I'm with DFF on this, we need a damn uniting person not another piss on the other side type with Hillary.
Hillary will make things worse than it is now.
Now people are worrying about Iraq again. Seriously this crap reminds me of Vietnam. If I lost a limb, loved one, or my mind in that worthless sandbox to see what is happening now I don't know how well I would take it.
Pretty sure they were able to do that all on their own.
Who would you vote for if the election was held today and what would be some of your main reasons?
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I am one of the few conservatives that has the balls to say that we need a single payer system here. However, I don't like the way things are being implemented now. We should've done a better job on the roll out, we should of done a better job to make sure checks are in place to make sure that it's not being abused. I'm not looking forward to see what my health insurance is going to jump this winter.
what's scaring the American public the most is how the VA is going to be used as an example on how our government can run health care for everyone not just vets.
The roll out was awful, but the whole Obamacare system had to be so bogged down in capitalist BS in order for it to pass at all, just to make sure insurance companies were still going to get their share. And for whatever reason a vocal group of people seem to think that health care for everyone is a bad thing. A President with balls would have forced it down their throats, but the bureaucratic barriers don't allow that type of thing. You're probably not a Jon Stewart fan but his interview with Phillip K. Howard about the government stalemate is really good.
this really started the last two or three years of Bush when everything went down hill. The democrats did whatever they could to make republicans look bad and didn't work with them then the republicans acted like children and did the same thing when Obama came into office.
You're simply wrong about that. Senate Democrats were nowhere close to being as obstructionist to Bush as the current crop of Republicans have been during Obama's presidency.
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You're simply wrong about that. The Democrats controlled the senate for most of the time Bush was in office, and they were nowhere close to being as obstructionist as the current crop of Republicans have been during Obama's presidency.
well I'm talking about everything they could do to make the pubs look as bad as possible. in all reality I can care less, I don't vote party and I'm just tired of the petty arguments from both idiots. sad fact is that they're the same thing just a different letter.
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Pretty sure they were able to do that all on their own.
Who would you vote for if the election was held today and what would be some of your main reasons?
depends who's running, no way in hell I'm voting for Hillary. If Bill could run I would vote for him.
I voted Obama the first go around because I didn't trust Palin and McCain, I voted Romney this last time because I liked Romney for his financial background.
I just want someone that we can all rally around, we need a leader! simply put I will vote for anyone that would come out and flat out say "I'm here for you, I'm not pulling party politics and we all will be better if we all just work together instead of arguing all the damn time"
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depends who's running, no way in hell I'm voting for Hillary. If Bill could run I would vote for him.
I just want someone that we can all rally around, we need a leader! simply put I will vote for anyone that would come out and flat out say "I'm here for you, I'm not pulling party politics and we all will be better if we all just work together instead of arguing all the damn time"
You realize that Bill likely has a large influence on Hillary and her own policies, right?
But would you rally around someone who will provide proper social assistance and healthcare policies, force proper regulation on the banks, simplify the tax code so rich people are actually paying their share, proper gun registration, etc?
Everything I see from the States tells me everyone is moving further apart and are actually moving backwards as evidenced by Tea-Party members actually gaining office. Someone such as yourself just won't rally around the same person as someone living in Manhatten or in California.
I just want someone that we can all rally around, we need a leader! simply put I will vote for anyone that would come out and flat out say "I'm here for you, I'm not pulling party politics and we all will be better if we all just work together instead of arguing all the damn time"
From Obama's victory speech in 2008:
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Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House – a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, "We are not enemies, but friends…though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection." And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.
He very clearly wanted to work with politicians on both sides of the aisle, but Republicans in congress would have none of it. The GOP has become so radicalized since the rise of the Tea Party that any officeholder, no matter how conservative, runs the risk of being primaried if they cooperate with Obama on any issue.
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He very clearly wanted to work with politicians on both sides of the aisle, but Republicans in congress would have none of it. The GOP has become so radicalized since the rise of the Tea Party that any officeholder, no matter how conservative, runs the risk of being primaried if they cooperate with Obama on any issue.
I voted for the man, I actually like the man
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You realize that Bill likely has a large influence on Hillary and her own policies, right?
But would you rally around someone who will provide proper social assistance and healthcare policies, force proper regulation on the banks, simplify the tax code so rich people are actually paying their share, proper gun registration, etc?
Everything I see from the States tells me everyone is moving further apart and are actually moving backwards as evidenced by Tea-Party members actually gaining office. Someone such as yourself just won't rally around the same person as someone living in Manhatten or in California.
The "tea party" is a joke.
It's hard to get people in Alabama to agree with someone on a lot of things when they're from Long Island.
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In 1993, the Clinton administration's proposed healthcare reform bill (spearheaded by Hillary) was a government run, single-payer, universal system like most other industrialized western democracies. Newt Gingrich's counter-proposal was private insurance model with an individual mandate. His proposed solution was later adopted by the state of Massachusetts where it was colloquially known as "Romneycare". This later served as the template for the Affordable Care Act, aka "Obamacare".
Yeah, the Democrats sure have shifted to the left since the Clinton days.
healthcare policy is the defining factor for where a party falls on the political spectrum?
Look, the point I am making is that my country is polarized. It really doesn't matter whether one group is more responsible for it than another. Give me people who are interested in reversing that. Hillary isn't. Where is the Brad Treliving of American politics? A bit of a silly analogy but it illustrates how I feel about Clinton as a leader moving forward.
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You realize that Bill likely has a large influence on Hillary and her own policies, right?
But would you rally around someone who will provide proper social assistance and healthcare policies, force proper regulation on the banks, simplify the tax code so rich people are actually paying their share, proper gun registration, etc?
Everything I see from the States tells me everyone is moving further apart and are actually moving backwards as evidenced by Tea-Party members actually gaining office. Someone such as yourself just won't rally around the same person as someone living in Manhatten or in California.
All too many people listen to the Fox News-ified version of politics, and are convinced that Obama is trying to take their guns and take their hard earned money and give it to those damn unwed mothers and illegals. I wish I was joking, but this is crap I hear on a regular basis, because let's be honest, anything in Pennsylvania that isn't specifically Pittsburgh or Philadelphia might as well be Alabama.
Democrats are far from perfect, but they aren't even in the same realm of awful as the GOP right now.
Unfortunately, so long as the Supreme Court keeps allowing more unchecked money into campaigns, so long as lobbying groups hold as much power as they do, American politics will continue to be a crap show.
Edit to add: I would absolutely love to see Elizabeth Warren run. She would never win, but I would support her 100%.
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The republicans don't want to unite. They will not unite.
They still have Mcconnells one term president mentality.
Exactly.
Republicans don't want to compromise. They don't want to unite. They want Democrats to give them everything they're demanding--repeal the Affordable Care Act, gut funding to SNAP, NASA, and education, limit the EPA's restrictions, continue corporate welfare, tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, etc. It's their way or they'll quite literally just shut the whole thing down.
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