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Originally Posted by T@T
I think myself and New Era need to get a few beers together just to catch up with all the kool-aid drinkers here.
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While a beer with any Flames fan is a great opportunity for good conversation I don't think it is constructive to call those who disagree with a point of view a kool-aid drinker. Just because people have a different perspective does not mean their opinion is less valid than your own. I don't understand the amount of angst a certain poster has over the fact I am not impressed with Burke or a fan of his. I really don't care whether someone else likes him or not, it is my opinion based on looking at his performance in his role with his various hockey clubs that has informed my opinion. Feel free to disagree with it, but at least take an honest look at what he's done with each team.
People will rave about his ability to make a great deal, but I think they tend to focus too much on the big steals he's stumbled into. His robbery of Calgary was a result of being in the right place at the right time and Sutter doing whatever he could to dump Phaneuf for what he considered a decent return. (we all lament the deal as a rip off, but in retrospect would you really want Phaneuf on this team?) The Pronger deal was also a pretty risky one considering what he gave up, but it turned out pretty good for the Ducks. But there are other deals where Burke was not quite so fortunate. The Phil Kessel deal has not turned out very good. He's not done well in his deals where he sends picks out at all. Consider the guys he's traded away and the guys he's acquired.
Players Burke traded away
Tomas Kaberle, Francois Beauchemin (twice), Luke Schenn, R.J. Umberger, Peter Schaefer, Felix Potvin, Alexander Mogilny, Dave Scatchard, Felix Potvin, Pavel Bure, Brad Ference, Brett Hedican, Mathieu Schneider, Andy McDonald, Curtis Glencross, Vitaly Vishnevski, Joffrey Lupul, Ladislav Smid, Sandis Ozolinsh, Sergei Fedorov
Players Burke traded for
Chris Pronger, Dion Phaneuf, Phil Kessel, Joe Colborne (twice), John Michael-Liles, James Van Reimsdyk, Martin Rucinsky, Sami Salo, Trevor Linden (old Linden), Felix Potvin, Dan Cloutier, Brendan Morrison, Mike Brown, Dave Gagner, Ed Jovanovski, Kevin Weekes, Doug Weight, Ladislav Smid, Francois Beauchemin
Then consider some of the picks he's traded away and some of the players he's picked with draft picks he got in trade. After the Sedins it gets ugly quickly.
Players selected with picks Burke dealt away
Tyler Seguin, Jared Knight, Dougie Hamilton, Brandon Saad, Rickard Rakell, John Gibson, Boyd Gordon, Zack Stortini, Patrik Stefan, Pavel Brendl, Pavel, Vorobiev, Jimmie Olvestad, Tyler Myers, Colton Gillies, T.J. Galiardi, Nick Ross, Travis Harmonic, Jordan Eberle, Keith Seabrook
Players selected with picks Burke acquired
Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin, Nathan Smith, Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy, Josh Leivo, Jake Gardiner, Logan MacMillan, Eric Tangradi
His trading history just isn't that good when you look at the whole body.
Vancouver
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...rian_Burke/189
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...an_Burke/189/2
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...an_Burke/189/3
Anaheim
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...rian_Burke/201
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...an_Burke/201/2
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...an_Burke/201/3
Toronto
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...Brian_Burke/77
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...ian_Burke/77/2
http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...ian_Burke/77/3
Hist drafting hasn't been too great either.
Vancouver Canucks 1998
First round (4) - Bryan Allen - 710 games
Second round (31) - Artem Chubarov - 228 games
Third round (68) - Jarkko Ruutu - 652 games
Third round (81) - Justin Morrison - 0 games
Fourth round (90) - Regan Darby - 0 games
Fifth round (136) - David Jonsson - 0 games
Fifth round (140) - Rick Bertran - 0 games
Sixth round (149) - Paul Cabana - 0 games
Seventh round (177) - Vince Malts - 0 games
Eighth round (204) - Graig Mischler - 0 games
Eighth round (219) - Curtis Valentine - 0 games
Ninth round (232) - Jason Metcalfe - 0 games
Vancouver Canucks 1999
First round (2) - Daniel Sedin - 979 games
First round (3) - Henrik Sedin - 1010 games
Third round (69) - Rene Vydareny - 0 games
Fifth round (129) - Ryan Thorpe - 0 games
Sixth round (172) - Josh Reed - 0 games
Seventh round (189) - Kevin Swanson - 0 games
Eighth round (218) - Markus Kankaanpera - 0 games
Ninth round (271) - Darrell Hay - 0 games
Vancouver Canucks 2000
First round (23) - Nathan Smith - 26 games
Third round (71) - Thatcher Bell - 0 games
Third round (93) - Tim Branham - 0 games
Fifth round (144) - Pavel Duma - 0 games
Seventh round (208) - Brandon Reid - 13 games
Eighth round (241) - Nathan Barrett - 0 games
Ninth round (272) - Tim Smith - 0 games
Vancouver Canucks 2001
First round (16) - R.J. Umberger - 673 games
Third round (66) - Fedor Fedorov - 18 games
Fourth round (114) - Evgeny Gladskikh - 0 games
Fifth round (151) - Kevin Bieksa - 537 games
Seventh round (212) - Jason King - 59 games
Eigthth round (245) - Konstantin Mikhailov - 0 games
Vancouver Canucks 2002
Second round (49) - Kirill Koltsov - 0 games
Second round (55) - Denis Grot - 0 games
Third round (68) - Brett Skinner - 11 games
Third round (83) - Lukas Mensator - 0 games
Fourth round (114) - John Laliberte - 0 games
Fifth round (151) - Rob McVicar - 1 games
Seventh round (214) - Marc-Andre Roy - 0 games
Seventh round (223) - Ilya Krikunov - 0 games
Eighth round (247) - Matt Violin - 0 games
Eighth round (277) - Thomas Nussli - 0 games
Ninth round (278) - Matt Gens - 0 games
Vancouver Canucks 2003
First round (23) - Ryan Kesler - 655 games
Second round (60) - Marc-Andre Bernier - 0 games
Fourth round (111) - Ty Morris - 0 games
Fourth round (128) - Brandon Nolan - 6 games
Fifth round (160) - Nicklas Danielsson - 0 games
Sixth round (190) - Chad Brownlee - 0 games
Seventh round (222) - Francois-Pierre Guenette - 0 games
Eighth round (252) - Nathan McIver - 36 games
Eighth round (254) - Sergei Topol - 0 games
Ninth round (285) - Matthew Hansen - 0 games
Anaheim Ducks 2005
First round (2) - Bobby Ryan - 448 games
Second round (31) - Brendan Mikkelson - 131 games
Third round (63) - Jason Bailey - 0 games
Fifth round (127) - Bobby Bolt - 0 games
Fifth round (141) - Brian Salcido - 2 games
Seventh round (197) - Jean-Philippe Levasseur - 0 games
Anaheim Ducks 2006
First round (19) - Mark Mitera - 0 games
Second round (38) - Bryce Swan - 0 games
Third round (83) - John de Gray - 0 games
Fourth round (112) - Matt Beleskey - 264 games
Sixth round (172) - Petteri Wirtanen - 3 games
Anaheim Ducks 2007
First round (19) - Logan MacMillan - 0 games
Second round (42) - Eric Tangradi - 136 games
Third round (63) - Maxime Macenauer - 29 games
Fourth round (92) - Justin Vaive - 0 games
Fourth round (93) - Steven Kampfer - 61 games
Fourth round (98) - Sebastian Stefaniszin - 0 games
Fourth round (121) - Mattias Modig - 0 games
Fifth round (151) - Brett Morrison - 0 games
Anaheim Ducks 2008
First round (17) - Jake Gardiner - 167 games
Second round (35) - Nicolas Deschamps - 3 games
Second round (39) - Eric O'Dell - 30 games
Second round (43) - Justin Schultz - 122 games
Third round (71) - Josh Brittain - 0 games
Third round (83) - Marco Cousineau - 0 games
Third round (85) - Brandon McMillan - 113 games
Fourth round (113) - Ryan Hegarty - 0 games
Fifth round (143) - Stefan Warg - 0 games
Seventh round (208) - Nick Pryor - 0 games
Toronto Maple Leafs 2009
First round (7) - Nazem Kadri - 436 games
Second round (50) - Kenny Ryan - 96 games
Second round (58) - Jesse Blacker - 0 games
Third round (68) - Jamie Devane - 3 games
Fifth round (128) - Eric Knodel - 0 games
Sixth round (158) - Jerry D'Amigo - 0 games
Seventh round (188) - Barron Smith - 0 games
Toronto Maple Leafs 2010
Second round (43) - Brad Ross - 0 games
Third round (62) - Greg McKegg - 1 games
Third round (79) - Sondre Olden - 0 games
Fourth round (116) - Petter Granberg - 0 games
Fifth round (144) - Sam Carrick - 1 games
Fifth round (146) - Daniel Brodin - 0 games
Seventh round (182) - Josh Nicholls - 0 games
Toronto Maple Leafs 2011
First round (22) – Tyler Biggs - 0 games
First round (25) – Stuart Percy - 0 games
Third round (86) – Joshua Leivo - 7 games
Fourth round (100) – Tom Nilsson - 0 games
Fifth round (130) – Tony Cameranesi - 0 games
Sixth round (152) – David Broll - 5 games
Sixth round (173) – Dennis Robertson - 0 games
Seventh round (190) – Garret Sparks - 0 games
Seventh round (203) – Max Everson - 0 games
Toronto Maple Leafs 2012
First round (5) – Morgan Rielly - 73 games
Second round (35) – Matt Finn - 0 games
Fifth round (126) – Dominic Toninato - 0 games
Sixth round (156) – Tony Cameranesi - 0 games
Sixth round (157) – David Broll - 0 games
Seventh round (209) – Viktor Loov - 0 games
Not great stuff. I won't even get into the obnoxiousness of his communication style, but I will say it annoys me to no end when he talks like he's the greatest GM in the history of the game and belittles those who came before him. I don't like the guy, but I don't hate him either. I just wish he would spend more time getting #### done and less time talking about it.