So when I say its nippy outside, thats racist? To whom? Never knew.
No, it's not racist in that context. The word "nippy" is a perfectly legitimate dictionary word meaning "cold" or "chilly" or used to describe an animal that tends to nibble on things.
However, it is racist is to use the word "Nip" as a derogatory term for a Japanese person.
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I think someone on this forum once tried to argue with me that being called a nip on the bus wasn't racist because they thought it was just referring to the weather. Honest mistake if you don't know nip is a racist term, but doesn't make it any less offensive lol.
And then of course that whole situation went downhill when mikey_the_redneck joined the conversation!
Then again, what do I know? I have a Witch Doctor in Diablo III named Ching Chong, so there's that.
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I was kinda sad when they renamed Chinaman's Peak out in K-Country to Ha Ling Peak.
Who in the world calls someone a "nip on the bus."?
The phrase is "nip in the bud" and "nip" means to cut. "Nippy" means cold outside.
"Nip" is not racist, but has been used as a racist slur in regards to Japanese people (as you are then not using it simply as the word "Nip" but as the shortened version of "Nipponese").
So no, saying it's "Nippy" outside or saying you're going to "nip" something in the bud is not racist in any way.
Some other fun words that have been used as racist slurs (but are not, in fact, racist words): Apple (fruit), Banana (fruit), Frog (reptile), Skinny (underweight). If you say "I'm going to eat an Apple" you're not being racist. That's silliness.
A term like Redskins however, is, in fact, only racist. It has no redeemable definitions that lend it reason to still exist.
EDIT: or what March said, since I clearly skipped that post.
No as in one time a friend and I got on the bus, and some punks yelled at us that the bus suddenly got nippy. We're not even Japanese damnit.
Edit: Nip as is Nippon. Not sure when the term came to be. Derogatory term used against Japanese in WWII, but maybe pre-dates that when Japanese first opened up it's borders?
No as in one time a friend and I got on the bus, and some punks yelled at us that the bus suddenly got nippy. We're not even Japanese damnit.
Edit: Nip as is Nippon. Not sure when the term came to be. Derogatory term used against Japanese in WWII, but maybe pre-dates that when Japanese first opened up it's borders?
As I said, it's not a racist word, but it can simply be used in a racist way. Nobody is arguing it's use as a racist term, but as I said, so is Frog and Banana, so it's irrelevant:
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nippy
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Pronunciation: /ˈnɪpi /
ADJECTIVE (nippier, nippiest)
• informal
1British Able to move quickly; nimble:
"a very nippy scrum half"
1.1(Of a motor vehicle) able to accelerate quickly:
"the new Saab is very nippy and jolly safe when overtaking"
2(Of the weather) chilly:
"it’s a bit nippy this morning"
3Scottish & Canadian (Of food) sharp-tasting; tangy:
"nippy Red Leicester"
1 [WITH OBJECT] Pinch, squeeze, or bite sharply:
"the dog nipped him on the leg"
1.1(Of the cold or frost) cause sharp pain or harm to:
"the vegetable garden, nipped now by frost"
1.2 (nip something off) Remove something by pinching or squeezing sharply.
At this point, you also get into the English of certain nationalities, as some use certain words in ways that others generally do not (a very offensive 'word that rhymes with bag') is commonly used in Britain and Australia in a very inoffensive way, yet in North America, takes on a different meaning entirely. Much like the word "Puff". You can puff a cigar, but it would be ill advised to call someone that.
The racist aspect aside, I don't get why the owner wouldn't want to change it anyways. With how often you see teams try to cash in on different coloured hats, and third jerseys, the financial gain of all new uniforms would be a cash cow. Hell, half the teams in the NHL would probably love to have a reason to change the name of their team.
I'd love to have a hat that has stereotypical english guy with bad teeth. The London "Limeys?"
I'm a Jew, and I would absolutely love to have that Jew hat, it's hilarious. But I would be scared to wear it, because I would accused of being an anti-Semite. But I have a very self deprecating sense of humour. I have a lot of relatives that have similar features to the guy on the hat. Yeah it's a stereotype, but a lot of stereotypes, are seeded in fact, like it or not.
I don't know where the line should be drawn here. If you name a team, after an noble African warrior tribe that say is known for hunting with spears, and your logo depicts an african man throwing a spear, are you being racist? You know someone is going to accuse you of a referencing a common stereotype, but is it the ignorance of spectator for not knowing the history of the spear hunting tribe? Or the ignorance of the owner of the team, for no foreseeing the ignorance and assumptive mentality of the spectator?
I am not an expert on Indian culture, but is the term Redskin akin to naming a team the N-words? Is it really that offensive? If the answer is yes, they absolutely have to rename the team.
But how PC is too PC now?
I am an atheist, and don't believe in Angels, the idea of them offend me. Please rename your team.
I am a devout Christian, how blasphemous of you to name a team the Devils. What if my child starts to be a fan of the team and becomes a Devil worshiper!? Please rename your team.
My house burnt down and we lost everything, the term Flames causes me anxiety every time I go to a Flames game. Please rename the team.
I am completely color blind, and can't see the colour blue. It hurts my feeling to be reminded of the fact every time I listen to a Blues game on the radio. Please rename the team.
Where do you draw the line to where we will just have the Calgary Hockeys vs the Vancouver Hockeys.
Thank you for demonstrating how idiotic the slippery slope logical fallacy is.
That was kinda the point I was making. Where will the line be drawn going forward. Everything is offensive to somebody out there. At what point is the cut off where not enough people are offended to make something okay?
And if you actually read my post, you would have seen I support the renaming of the team. But as per usual, you just chose to dish out your usual insults.
Saying that your home burning down is some kind of reason to want the Flames renamed in a thread about a racist name against a badly marginalized ethnic group is adding what exactly to this discussion?
Am I supposed to be impressed with your imagination to draw up increasingly ridiculous allegories to this issue at hand?
"Well we righted a wrong and changed a racist name but in the future someone might use this situation to make a ridiculous claim about another sports franchise name. Therefore nothing is without trade-offs. For the purpose of avoiding deeply offending native ethnic groups we might have to deal with some vainglorious morons in the future (that I've imagined up) so we should be aware of these costs. I guess we'll have to promptly ignore them if ever that happens."
Did I capture your point?
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Saying that your home burning down is some kind of reason to want the Flames renamed in a thread about a racist name against a badly marginalized ethnic group is adding what exactly to this discussion?
Am I supposed to be impressed with your imagination to draw up increasingly ridiculous allegories to this issue at hand?
"Well we righted a wrong and changed a racist name but in the future someone might use this situation to make a ridiculous claim about another sports franchise name. Therefore nothing is without trade-offs. For the purpose of avoiding deeply offending native ethnic groups we might have to deal with some vainglorious morons in the future (that I've imagined up) so we should be aware of these costs. I guess we'll have to promptly ignore them if ever that happens."
Did I capture your point?
No, not even close.
I 100% believe that the Redskins should be renamed. All I am asking, is where do we draw the line when it comes to peoples sensibilities? Is religion going to be the line in the sand? Physical descriptions? Political affiliations?
Some people consider the Fighting Irish derogatory.
Some oilfield workers might not like the term Roughneck.
Modern day Pirates are considered cold blooded murderers and ruthless criminals.
I'm a Jew, and I would absolutely love to have that Jew hat, it's hilarious.
That's cool you have a self-depreciating sense of humour, but would you be ok with a professional sports team, comprised almost entirely of gentiles, using it for their name and logo? What do you think that Anti-Defamation League would have to say about that?
That's cool you have a self-depreciating sense of humour, but would you be ok with a professional sports team, comprised almost entirely of gentiles, using it for their name and logo? What do you think that Anti-Defamation League would have to say about that?
Not to mention that regardless of his response the individuals who aren't offended do not somehow wash out the plurality of people who are.
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I 100% believe that the Redskins should be renamed. All I am asking, is where do we draw the line when it comes to peoples sensibilities? Is religion going to be the line in the sand? Physical descriptions? Political affiliations?
We will look at each situtation in context and evaluate the merits of the situation and come to a rational conclusion?
Tinordi's point was that your argument is a classic example of fallacious slippery slope reasoning, taken so far in fact that it could stand as an example of why NOT to use that argumentative method. This appears to have sailed over your head, because you have continued to take the same approach despite saying:
As I said, it's not a racist word, but it can simply be used in a racist way.
I'm not sure how authoritative it is, but both Dictionary.com and Google have "Nip" listed as an offensive word for Japanese.
Luckily there is no team named the Nips lol, but you are absolutely right that "redskin" appears to be ubiquitously defined as offensive, including in Google, Dictionary.com and Merriam-Webster. I would think the dictionary is pretty much as authoritative as it gets. Redskins is racist.
