Anti-Redskins add to run during game 3 of NBA finals

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've still posted the only article with historical relevance as those are still opinion pieces.

Your article is logically flawed, however. It argued that because the origin of the term "redskin" may have been benign, it should remain okay to use the term today. That is a cute argument that it tries to cherry-pick one aspect of 18th and 19th century thinking and uses it to claim that we should not view the use of the term in the lens of modern perception. Something tells me the Slate writer won't be making similar arguments about other 19th century thinking such as the righteousness of slavery or of disenfranchisement of large percentages of the population.

Something also tells me that the Slate writer won't be penning an article about how unfairly maligned the Swastika is either.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Your article is logically flawed, however. It argued that because the origin of the term "redskin" may have been benign, it should remain okay to use the term today. That is a cute argument that it tries to cherry-pick one aspect of 18th and 19th century thinking and uses it to claim that we should not view the use of the term in the lens of modern perception. Something tells me the Slate writer won't be making similar arguments about other 19th century thinking such as the righteousness of slavery or of disenfranchisement of large percentages of the population.

Something also tells me that the Slate writer won't be penning an article about how unfairly maligned the Swastika is either.

But Black people owned slaves! And they enslaved their own people! Also, Who are we to judge Nazi Germany, there's cultural relativism we need to account for!

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What an odd post. I would have thought that you of all people would sympathize. The Scottish are a subjugated people.

I bet he's really going to appreciate you saying that!! haha.

What civilization at some point wasn't?


I think they should just change the name - teams get rebranded all the time. In half a decade people will forget they were ever called that.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...ly-word-151717
The trademark Redskins was declared harmful by the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board, Redskins is a pejorative term for Native Americans and is a registered trademark that disparages an entire group and perpetuates a centuries old stereotype. The logo and term Redskins should never have been registered as a federally protected trademark, according to the report.

Well this is pretty interesting.

I have no understanding of US trademark law, but can't a trademark be impeached in similar fashion to a patent? I.e. can you not take the trademark holder in front of a court and argue that it should never have been granted, and thereby have it struck? The team would need to change its name and logo pretty quickly in that case.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

Well this is pretty interesting.

I have no understanding of US trademark law, but can't a trademark be impeached in similar fashion to a patent? I.e. can you not take the trademark holder in front of a court and argue that it should never have been granted, and thereby have it struck? The team would need to change its name and logo pretty quickly in that case.

That happened in 1999. It was reversed on appeal and that reversal was agreed with many times due to the fact it was trademarked a long time ago and no one complained until recently.

[PeteMoss]

I'm a fan of the team.

I'd change the name just to end this argument. I think for the most part the 'change the name' crowd are keyboard warriors acting offending by something they really don't care about. But if people who are the ones being allegedly disparaged are offended then change it.

But I hope if/when it is changed those people who are keyboarding warrioring about this actually do something - whether through time or money - to help with the issues facing the Indian community.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I bet he's really going to appreciate you saying that!! haha.

What civilization at some point wasn't?


I think they should just change the name - teams get rebranded all the time. In half a decade people will forget they were ever called that.

I wonder if he will "hop on the offended bus", I mean come on it is "sad that people leth things like this bother them".

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm a fan of the team.

I'd change the name just to end this argument. I think for the most part the 'change the name' crowd are keyboard warriors acting offending by something they really don't care about. But if people who are the ones being allegedly disparaged are offended then change it.

But I hope if/when it is changed those people who are keyboarding warrioring about this actually do something - whether through time or money - to help with the issues facing the Indian community.

I'm not personally offended by the name, but I can still see that it's plainly racist. Which warrior group does that put me in?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not personally offended by the name, but I can still see that it's plainly racist. Which warrior group does that put me in?

You have always struck me as a Warrior Princess.......

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm a fan of the team.

I'd change the name just to end this argument. I think for the most part the 'change the name' crowd are keyboard warriors acting offending by something they really don't care about. But if people who are the ones being allegedly disparaged are offended then change it.

But I hope if/when it is changed those people who are keyboarding warrioring about this actually do something - whether through time or money - to help with the issues facing the Indian community.

So by that same logic I'm not allowed to hold the view and express the view that child abuse is wrong unless I'm volunteering my time for some organization that fights child abuse?

That about sum up your POV on this?

[Tinordi]

Privileged people and ignoramuses discussing racism with keyboard warriors on the internet.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Privileged people and ignoramuses discussing racism with keyboard warriors on the internet.

Which of those are you? Or are you aiming to be all three?

[codynw]

I've never really followed this issue before so forgive my ignorance, but is it specifically the Redskins that people take issue with? Or the general use of Native American imagery in sports? I assume it's more the former (because of the name), but I'm just curious.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by codynw

I've never really followed this issue before so forgive my ignorance, but is it specifically the Redskins that people take issue with? Or the general use of Native American imagery in sports? I assume it's more the former (because of the name), but I'm just curious.

The Redskins is the most obvious example though I think the Cleveland Indian's use of Chief Wahoo is also problematic.

An argument appears to be that by doing away with these obvious examples that you should also do away with the Braves, Indians, and even Yankees.

[rubecube]

You know what's a good indicator if something is offensive? If you've heard the term being used to disparage a group of people, which I personally have heard with redskins. Just change the god damn name.

[rubecube]

http://yoisthisracist.com/page/2

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

http://yoisthisracist.com/page/2

I feel sorry for EE's kid(s)........

[Hessen]

Originally Posted by codynw

I've never really followed this issue before so forgive my ignorance, but is it specifically the Redskins that people take issue with? Or the general use of Native American imagery in sports? I assume it's more the former (because of the name), but I'm just curious.

A pretty long list of schools and professional teams that should have to change their names should the Redskins be forced to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...genous_peoples

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Imagine that (if you are white...and whites were picked on) the love you would have for this shirt

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The Redskins is the most obvious example though I think the Cleveland Indian's use of Chief Wahoo is also problematic.

The Indians have been quietly phasing Chief Wahoo out for a while now. He becomes less and less prominent each season. This year, he was dropped off the primary cap logos.