Spector - Flames have bigger plans beyond key 2014 draft

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah like the bus riden 76 game AHL schedule is so much better that the NHL's 82 games with executive flights and 5 star hotels.

Fact is if Gaudreau shows he can play in the NHL he should and so far he at least should be given the chance.

Burke (and his new puppet Treliving) and his B.S "earn your check" can fork himselfs IMO.

Yeah they should give a free ride like Sven got from Feaster. That did wonders for his game.

I'm just glad we have people in charge that will be able to get Sven back on track.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by strombad

You know, you could actually just give him a chance, be patient, and see if he impresses you.

You mean like running Feaster into the ground for the "poor return" he got on Iginla and Bouwmeester and then claiming he would do so much better, only to see him do sfa with Cammalleri at the trade deadline and then hide behind some bull#### excuse about not wanting the Flames to be push overs in the trade market? Not a good start IMO.

I'd be much happier if Burke would keep his trap shut and let his moves do the talking. Burke loves the spotlight and to hear himself talk. I wish he was as good at making things happen and improving his hockey teams as much as he was at telling people about it. So far the guy is Kevin Lowe with a better head of hair.

It's way better than being instantly negative and leaving it on others to change your mind.

Or maybe he wasn't a Burke fan before he was hired by the Flames and is just standing by his convictions. If a guy was a delta bravo before he was with the Flames I see no reason to think he won't be a delta bravo with the Flames. I lose respect for people who say how much they don't like a guy, but change their tune the minute he joins the team in some capacity. I personally didn't like Burke in Vancouver, liked him less in Anaheim, and really didn't like him in Toronto. Why should I cut him any slack just because he's employed by the Flames now. He's got a lot of less than classy moments to make up for IMO. It's up to Burke to make people forget all those moments, not the other way around.

[firebird]

I think the people calling Treliving a puppet are forgetting just how good Burke has it right now. He's got a job for life if he doesn't screw it up, and the only way to screw it up is to be too hands on. If all he does is make his opinion known (which he will, it's Brian Burke), and than let his GM's and AGM's make the decisions they were hired to make, than Burke will never be in the line of fire. Burke obviously decides what type of team we are going to be by hiring a GM that best fits his style and philosophy, but if its time for a change and KK thinks Burke is pulling the strings, than Burke might be the one fired instead of firing the GM.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

It hurt my head listening to that panel... geez.

I think I've heard more insight from drunk friends yelling at each other at a bar about Flames players.

Was it me? Or did Nick Kypreos seem like he was being sarcastic when he made statements to support MacLean?

[StrykerSteve]

Did Maclean seriously just say on national television that Calgary playing hard last season accomplished nothing aside from "hurting their own draft position"?

There aren't enough in the world to express how I feel about this. C'mon Doug, you're better than that.

They successfully established a culture of hard work and never-say-die effort, implemented systems that were successful against the best teams in the league and gave valuable developmental experience to many key young prospects in the process.

With the inconsistent goaltending of Reto Berra out of the way, I expect this team surprise a lot of people next season.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nobody want's Burke to prove me wrong more than myself, but I fear the worst. the guy is a serious turd!

Originally Posted by New Era

You mean like running Feaster into the ground for the "poor return" he got on Iginla and Bouwmeester and then claiming he would do so much better, only to see him do sfa with Cammalleri at the trade deadline and then hide behind some bull#### excuse about not wanting the Flames to be push overs in the trade market? Not a good start IMO.

You know what? You guys have completely convinced me. Instead of watching what happens next season I'm just gonna submit to my illogical level of hate for Burke by burning an effigy with golden locks representing him in my backyard. Anyone who wants to join should bring a pitchfork and torches with Flames jerseys as burning material and we can all chant "fire Burke for not trading Cammi". But we gotta make sure it ends by 10pm so as to not disturb my neighbors.

[trackercowe]

Is MacLean not wearing any socks? We've got a real professional right there.

Oh, and I think MacLean might be steamed that Burke didn't even try and call him in for an interview. Heck maybe Doug asked for an interview and Burke laughed in his face (as he should have).

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Is MacLean not wearing any socks? We've got a real professional right there.

Oh, and I think MacLean might be steamed that Burke didn't even try and call him in for an interview. Heck maybe Doug asked for an interview and Burke laughed in his face (as he should have).

haha.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

You mean like running Feaster into the ground for the "poor return" he got on Iginla and Bouwmeester and then claiming he would do so much better, only to see him do sfa with Cammalleri at the trade deadline and then hide behind some bull#### excuse about not wanting the Flames to be push overs in the trade market? Not a good start IMO.

I'd be much happier if Burke would keep his trap shut and let his moves do the talking. Burke loves the spotlight and to hear himself talk. I wish he was as good at making things happen and improving his hockey teams as much as he was at telling people about it. So far the guy is Kevin Lowe with a better head of hair.

Or maybe he wasn't a Burke fan before he was hired by the Flames and is just standing by his convictions. If a guy was a delta bravo before he was with the Flames I see no reason to think he won't be a delta bravo with the Flames. I lose respect for people who say how much they don't like a guy, but change their tune the minute he joins the team in some capacity. I personally didn't like Burke in Vancouver, liked him less in Anaheim, and really didn't like him in Toronto. Why should I cut him any slack just because he's employed by the Flames now. He's got a lot of less than classy moments to make up for IMO. It's up to Burke to make people forget all those moments, not the other way around.

All the vitriol is a little tiring.

He's had no negative affect on your life, and yet you speak of him like you know him personally and he's wronged you in the worst way.

You could easily get over it and give him a fresh start. He had his bad days, and his really good ones. Maybe he has some less than classy moments, but he's been through some hard times, and some REAL classy moments have come out of it.

Focus on the negative of you want. Just know that it's also ok to give him a chance.

I just can't imagine feeling so strongly negative over a man who has had such an insignificant impact on your life as a Flames fan. By all accounts, he fired the right guy to be fired, hired a great guy, signed a couple big prospects, and has brought a little more honesty to the franchise.

He has also botched a single trade. So let's focus on that one I guess.

[dying4acup]

Doug Maclean, hear this! This Flames team will achieve success faster than the (Team you claim credit for) Bluejacket. Maclean, u r a loser. I hope u read cp so u know it.

Brian Burke never had a draft pick straight out of the draft make the team before. It happened this year. Why: because a kid deserved it, and Burke is capable of change. I am very confident that Calgary is tolerant a true rebuild.

Calgary is tolerant of what is coming.

Maclean should have been campaigning for the Canucks job. Those losers are going to chase playoffs right away. I hope they get a wildcard next year.
#newoilers

[DoubleF]

Doug MacLean should write an outsiders perspective on the Calgary Flames and the Edmonton Oilers and give James Tanner a run for his money... or whatever recognition he was given.

But I might not be able to handle that much drivel in one sitting.

[Rick M.]

When you wait to trade them until players are about to become UFAs you risk getting burned if the market is down. It doesn't matter who the GM is at that point, it's all about the playoff rental market in any given year.It's much better to trade players while they are still under contract for at least a year as you can time your sale for maximum value back.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What does "show he can play in the NHL" mean to you? Be better than competition he has to beat on a weak ass Flames team, or be good enough to play on real NHL caliber club?

If it's the latter, then I agree with you, but I'd suggest you likely don't have anything to worry about. Monahan showed he was good enough and he got to stay, because in those cases that's what makes the most sense for the players development.

If the only reason Gaudreau could crack the line up is because Calgary has weak players, then it sounds like they will send him back, which makes sense.

Monahan was good enough but I have my doubts he would have been here if he was AHL eligible.

As for Gaudreau, if he was good enough to be one of the top players in a tourney full of NHL players over 2 weeks he at least should be givin a real shot at making the lineup.

Quotes like "To build a group of forwards inside the Flames dressing room that is good enough that Johnny Gaudreau can not walk in and immediately crack the lineup." is a slap in the face.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by T@T

Monahan was good enough but I have my doubts he would have been here if he was AHL eligible.

As for Gaudreau, if he was good enough to be one of the top players in a tourney full of NHL players over 2 weeks he at least should be givin a real shot at making the lineup.

Quotes like "To build a group of forwards inside the Flames dressing room that is good enough that Johnny Gaudreau can not walk in and immediately crack the lineup." is a slap in the face.

That wasn't a quote from Treliving or Burke. That was just speculation.

Treliving did say this however, in regards to our prospects; “There are more interesting assets here than I thought there were. Now, we haven’t played a game since I’ve been here yet either.”

[T@T]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Yeah they should give a free ride like Sven got from Feaster. That did wonders for his game.

I'm just glad we have people in charge that will be able to get Sven back on track.

Or people in charge that will trade him.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Is MacLean not wearing any socks? We've got a real professional right there.

Oh, and I think MacLean might be steamed that Burke didn't even try and call him in for an interview. Heck maybe Doug asked for an interview and Burke laughed in his face (as he should have).

i honestly thought he was wearing swim shoes or rubber bootys or something. was very distracting from his uninspired, illogical banter.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by strombad

All the vitriol is a little tiring.

Vitrol? Pointing out the Burke contradictions is vitrol?

He's had no negative affect on your life, and yet you speak of him like you know him personally and he's wronged you in the worst way.

Pointing out the stuff Burke has said since he started is speaking wrong of him? And I have to know him personally to develop a not favorable opinion of the man? Bashar al-Assad has never done anything to me to affect my life, but I recognize that he's done some pretty terrible things and probably isn't the nicest of person. Or maybe I should just give him another chance because I don't know him personally? Get serious.

BTW, I'm not saying that Brian Burke is anywhere near Bashar al-Assad in character or actions, I am using this extreme contrast to make a point about developing feelings towards others we don't know in person.

You could easily get over it and give him a fresh start. He had his bad days, and his really good ones. Maybe he has some less than classy moments, but he's been through some hard times, and some REAL classy moments have come out of it.

Sorry, I don't operate that way. If a guy was a delta bravo before he joined my team I believe he is a delta bravo until he proves otherwise. Todd Bertuzzi and Brian Marchment were both raging #######s before they joined the Flames and I don't think they did anything to prove otherwise when they played here. Why should a raging ####### get a second chance just because they put on your jersey? I think people that do that have zero conviction or character themselves.

Focus on the negative of you want. Just know that it's also ok to give him a chance.

I am giving him a chance, but to this point he has failed to deliver. He has continued to be the curmudgeon he's always been. He's continued to be a pompous jerk with the media, many of which he has no history with. He's continued to talk a big game but has yet to deliver anything of substance to this point. I could go on, but why bother, you'll just claim he's a great guy and deserves another chance.

I just can't imagine feeling so strongly negative over a man who has had such an insignificant impact on your life as a Flames fan. By all accounts, he fired the right guy to be fired, hired a great guy, signed a couple big prospects, and has brought a little more honesty to the franchise.

All spin with little to back it up. So far Burke has done nothing to improve the on ice product other than continue to watch the dominoes fall that Feaster put into action. Treliving is a wild card. He did very little in Phoenix but is some how a brilliant hire. As in the thread dedicated to this hiring I am taking a wait and see attitude, but he's got a lot to do. And you're seriously going to trot out the signing of Gaudreau and Arnold like that was some major accomplishment? Gaudreau's camp stated there was some trepidation in signing with Calgary because of Burke and his attitude toward small players. The relationship and trust was with Weisbrod and Feaster. Kudos to him for getting the pen to paper (or having Conroy do it) but this was hardly a major accomplishment consider the options the players had and that they had intended to sign with Feaster here anyways.

He has also botched a single trade. So let's focus on that one I guess.

There is a lot more we could focus on, but we have to be careful here. He is Brian Burke and if you speak too ill of him he will track you down and sue you.

[Robbob]

I think there is a difference between ill will and the garbage those people were spouting

[Vinny01]

Burke has inprovedthenin ice product by firing the circus show that used to run the flames. Feaster/Weisbroad turned this team into a laughing stock and everyone from the media to other fanbases would laugh when Feaster said or did anything.

Burke did not trade Cammy for a 3rd rounder. Who cares the slight chance the flames hit on that pick is not worth maintains the reputation that the Flames will get fleeced on deals. This reputation started when Burke fleeced Sutter back in 2010 and Feaster carried that tradition along until he was fired (Cammy/Smid and smaller deals aside).

Sutter botched the Phanuef and Jokinen deals Feaster followed that by botching the Regehr, Iginla, Bouwmeester, Tanguay deals. Burke did not want to follow suit by offloading Cammy for peanuts and I think it was a smart play.

I think our management team seems stronger than ever and I really like the mix. Excited to see what the flames do this summer

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by New Era

There is a lot more we could focus on, but we have to be careful here. He is Brian Burke and if you speak too ill of him he will track you down and sue you.

Ok that comment is a bit much. Yes, he tracked down and sued a bunch of internet sperglords, but that was due to the falsehoods being spewed about him and a reporter. That crap was unwarranted and I fully supported Burke's decision to get the courts involved. You should never be making comments about infidelity without rock solid unshakable proofs.

You wanna go off on his job performance, rock on. Hell, Burke himself said to talk about that all day long, but that if you start up with rumours and lies based on his personal life you will see his lawyers.