Spector - Flames have bigger plans beyond key 2014 draft

[dammage79]

I have a feeling Arnold, Gaudreau and Granlund all make the team out of camp next year.

Arnold can try RW and would be a great way to transition him to NHL faceoffs when they switch him back to C later on. A good off season for him in the Gym and on ice training and he'll be ready to go.

Gaudreau isn't going to give the Flames the chance to send him down. Get used to it, he's not going anywhere but up.

Granlund, defensively sound and showed a knack for scoring great goals both with his shot and in the dirty areas. That Shoulder injury made everyone look past him in these off season discussions. He'll be up with the Flames to start the season. EDIT: Also very good in Faceoffs. Who knew right!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I have a feeling Arnold, Gaudreau and Granlund all make the team out of camp next year.

Arnold can try RW and would be a great way to transition him to NHL faceoffs when they switch him back to C later on. A good off season for him in the Gym and on ice training and he'll be ready to go.

Gaudreau isn't going to give the Flames the chance to send him down. Get used to it, he's not going anywhere but up.

Granlund, defensively sound and showed a knack for scoring great goals both with his shot and in the dirty areas. That Shoulder injury made everyone look past him in these off season discussions. He'll be up with the Flames to start the season.

I've always been a fan of Arnold's-I think he's severely underrated. He's gonna be a good pro.

[Hackey]

Wow McLean really did sound bitter. I thought some posters might have been exaggerating but he was talking like he had a grudge. He is right in that those three are new to their roles but I think you gotta take a wait and see approach. That might be a factor and it might not. Burke should should help keep the ship on course if need be though.

[dammage79]

McLean sounded like a moron to be honest. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

Hint: You're trying too hard McLean

[stemit14]

I think baertschi, gaudreau, M. Reinhart, and granlund all have a good shot to make the team.

I have to believe that gaudreau was told during the contract talks that he would be given a fair chance to make it on the big club in September. I'm sure it was worded carefully though... Something like "if you commit to your training in the offseason, show up to camp prepared, and have a solid camp... then there will be room for you on the opening day roster." That leaves a lot of "ifs" on the board for the flames to use as an excuse to send him down but if he does all that, they'll have no choice but to keep him up.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I've always been a fan of Arnold's-I think he's severely underrated. He's gonna be a good pro.

I think Arnold could be a good pro. He's a little undersized for the role I see him taking and him jumping right into the NHL would be a surprise I think. Give him at least a season in the AHL.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I've always been a fan of Arnold's-I think he's severely underrated. He's gonna be a good pro.

Yes, I think he's been a bit overlooked in all the justified hoopla over Gaudreau. I was surprised by how strong he is; players just bounced off him in the Vancouver game.

[Street Pharmacist]

As for Gaudreau, I'm not sure Adirondack is totally necessary. There's certainly an important transition from juniors to pro, but I think it's smaller from college to pro. Add in the fact he's had 3 years of development and I think he can make it.


Having said all that, the 82 game grind in the NHL is far harder than college

[FAN]

I liked what Treliving said. It's all about accumulating assets and having the depth to develop prospects in such a way that they are never rushed. The only question is whether this philosophy will apply to a sparkling new top 5 draft pick.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FAN

I liked what Treliving said. It's all about accumulating assets and having the depth to develop prospects in such a way that they are never rushed. The only question is whether this philosophy will apply to a sparkling new top 5 draft pick.

Depends really, I think most people share the same thoughts that Reinhart is borderline NHL ready, Ekblad is done in the OHL, he'll be an NHL'er for certain, Draisaitl has the size and is likely NHL ready and Bennett is another year or two away.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

As for Gaudreau, I'm not sure Adirondack is totally necessary. There's certainly an important transition from juniors to pro, but I think it's smaller from college to pro. Add in the fact he's had 3 years of development and I think he can make it.


Having said all that, the 82 game grind in the NHL is far harder than college

Yeah like the bus riden 76 game AHL schedule is so much better that the NHL's 82 games with executive flights and 5 star hotels.

Fact is if Gaudreau shows he can play in the NHL he should and so far he at least should be given the chance.

Burke (and his new puppet Treliving) and his B.S "earn your check" can fork himselfs IMO.

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah like the bus riden 76 game AHL schedule is so much better that the NHL's 82 games with executive flights and 5 star hotels.

Fact is if Gaudreau shows he can play in the NHL he should and so far he at least should be given the chance.

Burke (and his new puppet Treliving) and his B.S "earn your check" can fork himselfs IMO.

I'm certainly glad you don't have any axes to grind.

Is it at all possible that Gaudreau's one good NHL game may have been a product of two teams completely out of the mix and not caring about the outcome playing in the final game of the season.

What we should do is look to see how he plays during the various camps throughout the summer, as well as exhibition games if he earns his keep, and evaluate whether or not he has earned a roster spot then, as opposed to a single game.

Or we can jump to conclusions and give him first line minutes, and hell, why not the captaincy while we're at it.

Edit: Haha i love when my dumb thumb hits submit instead of 'e'.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I think Arnold could be a good pro. He's a little undersized for the role I see him taking and him jumping right into the NHL would be a surprise I think. Give him at least a season in the AHL.

I agree that he most likely needs some seasoning in the minors, but he IS 218 lbs and pretty strong even though he's only 6 feet tall....

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

As for Gaudreau, I'm not sure Adirondack is totally necessary. There's certainly an important transition from juniors to pro, but I think it's smaller from college to pro. Add in the fact he's had 3 years of development and I think he can make it.


Having said all that, the 82 game grind in the NHL is far harder than college

He'll hit his wall at around the 40 game mark, so will Arnold. Saw it with all the college kids this last year in Abby. One of the reasons I liked Ward was that he knew it was coming and had patience with the kids as they worked through it. It's also the reason why I think Johnny and Arnold will start in the AHL mostly because at the NHL level you don't have time to be patient and wait for the player to work through that wall, in Adirondack they can.

[trackercowe]

MacLean is probably still cheesed off that he dealt Beauchemin to Burke for practically nothing, and helped the Ducks win the cup in 07

Date: November 15, 2005
Traded: Francois Beauchemin, Tyler Wright
Received: Sergei Fedorov; 142nd overall, 2006 draft (Maxime Frechette)
Reason: No one knows for sure. Fedorov was obviously declining but still worthwhile, but the way that Doug MacLean made it sound ("On-ice coaching! Screw hiring another assistant, I pay this guy $6 million a year to act like one!") was that he was still a Hart candidate. Beauchemin would nearly equal Fedorov's offensive output, and he's a defenseman.
Outcome: This move also led to Todd Marchant being put on waivers and claimed by Anaheim. Fedorov would eventually be traded to Washington, but not before taking in something like $14 million in salary that was way out of proportion to his production. The draft pick, used on Maxime Frechette, was one of the biggest wastes in team history.

Even 'Nucks fans know he's a dumbass. http://canuckscorner.com/tombenjamin...-doug-maclean/

[Fire]

Originally Posted by T@T

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Burke (and his new puppet Treliving) and his B.S "earn your check" can fork himselfs IMO.

Ha ha, so much moronic hate.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Fire

Ha ha, so much moronic hate.

Nobody want's Burke to prove me wrong more than myself, but I fear the worst. the guy is a serious turd!

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

You know how I can tell Spector is an Oiler-centric writer? He's already trying to redefine when our rebuild started:


No! Our rebuild is already one year old. None of this rewriting history to suit our needs that we keep seeing from Edmonton.

Agreed.

We are entering year 2 of the rebuild. Period.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nobody want's Burke to prove me wrong more than myself, but I fear the worst. the guy is a serious turd!

You know, you could actually just give him a chance, be patient, and see if he impresses you.

It's way better than being instantly negative and leaving it on others to change your mind.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah like the bus riden 76 game AHL schedule is so much better that the NHL's 82 games with executive flights and 5 star hotels.

Fact is if Gaudreau shows he can play in the NHL he should and so far he at least should be given the chance.

Burke (and his new puppet Treliving) and his B.S "earn your check" can fork himselfs IMO.

What does "show he can play in the NHL" mean to you? Be better than competition he has to beat on a weak ass Flames team, or be good enough to play on real NHL caliber club?

If it's the latter, then I agree with you, but I'd suggest you likely don't have anything to worry about. Monahan showed he was good enough and he got to stay, because in those cases that's what makes the most sense for the players development.

If the only reason Gaudreau could crack the line up is because Calgary has weak players, then it sounds like they will send him back, which makes sense.