[SCF] New York Rangers vs LA Kings (OP updated with times)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by badger89

He never really was. He was a 60 to 70 pt player at his peak (his 79 pt season was an outlier) and now he's regressed to a 30 to 40 pt player. He was never as dominant as his highlights would suggest and has really fallen off the last couple of years. He really should be a 3rd liner at this point.

Both of these guys have been overrated over the years. Both in their primes were good not great players and past their prime are turning into role players rather than difference makers they are paid to be.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How many did the Kings have in the 20 years prior to the last 3? they are on a great run now but were a doormat for a long time

Kings had 25 playoff wins in the 20 years up to 2011.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Both of these guys have been overrated over the years. Both in their primes were good not great players and past their prime are turning into role players rather than difference makers they are paid to be.

Nash had an off year and still had 26 goals in 65 games, he was also nearly a PPG player last season. He may not be the same player he once was, but he's far from a "role player".

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kings will win this in 5. A strategically placed loss in game 4 to go home and win it in L.A this time.

They won the cup in LA the first time

[badger89]

Originally Posted by codynw

Nash had an off year and still had 26 goals in 65 games, he was also nearly a PPG player last season. He may not be the same player he once was, but he's far from a "role player".

True, he did have 26 goals and all of 39 points this year. Only really impressive that he can be so one dimensional. And incredibly bad return for $7.8M. He's been paid like a franchise player (over $6M/yr) for the past 6 years and has only performed at that level once. That's the definition of overrated. And to make matters worse, he's signed for 4 more years at $8M/yr. That'll be an albatross of a contract that will be hard to get rid of.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by badger89

True, he did have 26 goals and all of 39 points this year. Only really impressive that he can be so one dimensional. And incredibly bad return for $7.8M. He's been paid like a franchise player (over $6M/yr) for the past 6 years and has only performed at that level once. That's the definition of overrated. And to make matters worse, he's signed for 4 more years at $8M/yr. That'll be an albatross of a contract that will be hard to get rid of.

Sather seems to have a knack for making good trades with the terrible contracts he signs. If he can turn Gomez into McDonagh I'm sure he'll find some way to dump Nash

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How many did the Kings have in the 20 years prior to the last 3? they are on a great run now but were a doormat for a long time

Yeah. I get that. I'd just rather the Flames not be the doormat for another 20.
The hockey itself blew in the 80's (anyone who remembers otherwise is wrong) but damn it was fun to always be near the top. To always have a shot

[RtotheK]

nope too shy

[driveway]

Rick Nash has traditionally been a very good goal-scorer in the NHL, while never being truly exceptional, and never ever being a good assist producer. Goals are gold in the NHL and are very much worth paying for, however, since tying Iginla for the Maurice Richard in 2004, Nash has been a top-ten goal scorer twice, and a top twenty goal scorer three more times. Once he was 28th and three times he's finished outside the top-30.

Compared to Iginla, a truly elite-goal scoring forward, Iginla has two top ten finishes since 2004 (both 3rds, higher than Nash's best - a 5th place) and six top-twenty finishes. Only one time since '04 has he not been one of the twenty best goal-scorers in the NHL.

Rick Nash is a very, very good hockey player who is well worth the second or third highest contract on any given team, but should not ever be expected to be the best player on an NHL team.

Given that he's got the highest cap-hit on the Rangers, and the second-highest salary in real dollars (and his real-money salary goes UP over the next four years) it's pretty clear that Rick Nash is overpaid.

[djsFlames]

Can confirm that Rick Nash is indeed overrated.

Also, was never a "franchise" player. CBJ treated him like one, but he couldn't carry the team on his back to anything significant over a large span of time. Now he's with a far better supporting cast and seems to be contributing half as much as he did on a perennial #### team. He can produce, but most certainly isn't the game breaking type.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by getbak

The glass-banging woman looks like Patty the Daytime Hooker from My Name is Earl.

Thank-you!

I watched the second half of the game today (double OT so good thing I did) and she reminded me of someone - couldn't figure who though.

[Flash Walken]

Rick Nash can't be judged on his contract too harshly. There's a million dollar premium attached that sucker that is about the opposite of a 'home town discount'. It's the 'Be the only good player on your team for your entire career and never make the playoffs with columbus' premium.

[Ice]

NBC is allowing a public broadcast at LA Live tonight.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Ice

NBC is allowing a public broadcast at LA Live tonight.

What does this mean? A Flames Central type of place?

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenWHaynes 6m
This pretty much sums it up. Home-ice playoff victories:
Kings: 21 in last 3 years
Flames: 20 in last 25 years
Oilers: 19 in last 23 years

It's called cherry picking a timeline. What are the in win totals over the last 30 years. I bet the Oilers and Flames have more than the Kings.

[Ice]

LA live is a restaurant, club, concert and entertainment area adjacent to Staples Center. There's a large courtyard that all the restaurants and clubs surround. They set up a large screen and seating for the game. In 2012, NBC would not allow the road games to be broadcast inside Staples Center.

[_Q_]

Looks like sports net started taking care of CBC's production early.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

God, I hate how CBC streaming plays their advertisements flawlessly, but the game it's self is so bloody choppy. Sigh, I guess I shouldn't whine as at least they stream them.

[saXon]

Wow, this Rangers opener is about as lame as the Canucks' in 2011.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can confirm that Rick Nash is indeed overrated.

Also, was never a "franchise" player. CBJ treated him like one, but he couldn't carry the team on his back to anything significant over a large span of time. Now he's with a far better supporting cast and seems to be contributing half as much as he did on a perennial #### team. He can produce, but most certainly isn't the game breaking type.

Rick Nash has hands-down been the most overrated player the last decade. I find guys in markets no one bothers to watch escape all criticism. How he was deemed a franchise player with that lack of team success and getting 55-60 points a year was a mystery.