[Rumour] Buffalo's and Florida's 1st round picks are in play

[northcrunk]

Why would we include ANY of our players under 25 in a deal to move up 3 spots in a draft with 4 players who are of similar talent levels? If anything we should be trading picks (2nd, 3rds)/vets or nothing at all and pick at 4.

[Money23]

I think they should trade Brodie for tiger woods, and get Lebron as well! Then maybe get messi for GM! Then we will for sure win the World Series!

[T-Dog]

These are some of the craziest proposals. In a draft where there is no clear-cut #1, it does not make sense to be trading up within what is generally considered the first tier. Based on what I've read, it is not inconceivable that the "big four" could go in any order. Why would we agree to some of these crazy proposals to move within that group? (Imagine if we traded #4, Brodie and a second rounder to move to #1 and the player selected #4 ended up being better than the player selected at #1 - not totally inconceivable in this draft).

Perhaps if they are really sold on Ekblad and don't think he would be available at #4 I could see trading #4 and a mid-round pick for #1 or perhaps Brodie and a mid-round pick for #1, but certainly not a package of #4, Brodie and later picks.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Why would we include ANY of our players under 25 in a deal to move up 3 spots in a draft with 4 players who are of similar talent levels? If anything we should be trading picks (2nd, 3rds)/vets or nothing at all and pick at 4.

This is my final take on it:

If the scouting staff & management have assessed that Ekblad is a key component to the franchise's future success then they have a unique opportunity to actually do something about it this year.

Every year Todd Button and the rest of the staff get to assess all the best players in the draft but very rarely do they get the chance to actually pick the prospect they deem to be the best. With Tallon actively looking to trade down (to get Nylander, Ehlers or whomever they fancy) we actually might have the necessary components to make the trade which allows us to get the best defenceman in the 2014 draft.

We can go on and on about "the best defencemen get picked in later rounds" or "there are 4 players of equal ability & standing" or even "franchise defencemen are easy to acquire in a trade" all we want, but these opportunities come around very rarely (next to never.) If they think Ekblad is the guy to build our defence around then I could respect the decision to go after him.

I can understand this being management's mindset, and if they decide to pull the trigger on the deal to bring us Ekblad then I'm all for it. If they stay put at 4th OA and draft whoever is left I am ok with that as well. I have to admit I am excited by the idea we have a management team who can recognise key assets they want to acquire & then the gumption to go out & acquire them.

[Sylvanfan]

I'm okay with trading the late second, a third, and a 30 year old or older roster guy to move up from spot 4 to the top where you get to pick the player you want. But I wouldn't be giving up anything more than that.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by thethumwood

True. Unless the deal was exceptional.

I'm sure Burke is patiently awaiting the Crosby for Gio trade offer haha.

[Hackey]

For all you getting your panties tied in a knot over nothing remember that Burke, Treliving and co are running things and probably know more than all of us on here. If they truly think the top 4 are that close they probably won't be willing to make a trade where we give up much. If they do see a clear top player that they want then maybe they will. In that case obviously they felt the price was warranted. Whether or not the top 4 is as close as we think will be determined by them and I'd trust they know more than us. So until a trade is actually made everyone can relax. If a trade is made I trust that the management group knows what they are doing.

[Scorponok]

Consider the 2015 draft next year as well. If the center depth there is great, even after McDavid and Eichel, and the Flames think they'll be picking high next year, then it makes sense to grab a defenseman this year. If the defensive prospect is really good next year, then there's a good chance the Flames will be able to grab one when the first two or three picks are gonna be forwards. Then it would make sense to get a forward this year.

I think if the Flames trade up, it'll be to get Reinhart.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Scorponok

Consider the 2015 draft next year as well. If the center depth there is great, even after McDavid and Eichel, and the Flames think they'll be picking high next year, then it makes sense to grab a defenseman this year. If the defensive prospect is really good next year, then there's a good chance the Flames will be able to grab one when the first two or three picks are gonna be forwards. Then it would make sense to get a forward this year.

I think if the Flames trade up, it'll be to get Reinhart.

With Treliving and Burke, there is no way you are going to draft Reinhart at #1. They like their defenseman.

[Money23]

In all seriousness, I don't see the point in trading up to the first pick unless it only takes a second and maybe the rights to Cammalleri. The talent in the top 4 is too close. Giving up Brodie would not be worth it IMO. Anyway, I trust Treliving, Burke, and the scouting staff to make the decision that they believe is best for the team. It's gonna be a long few weeks...

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Scorponok

Consider the 2015 draft next year as well. If the center depth there is great, even after McDavid and Eichel, and the Flames think they'll be picking high next year, then it makes sense to grab a defenseman this year. If the defensive prospect is really good next year, then there's a good chance the Flames will be able to grab one when the first two or three picks are gonna be forwards. Then it would make sense to get a forward this year.

I think if the Flames trade up, it'll be to get Reinhart.

That's ridiculous, Reinhart is probably the most likely to be there are 4th.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by jg13

I really hope we just stay at 4th overall.

Ditto. Sounds like a high price to pay in a draft where there's no true number one.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by madmike

Ditto. Sounds like a high price to pay in a draft where there's no true number one.

I liked the idea of the 3 way deal a user proposed earlier with Vancouver and move up to 1st via brokering the deal.

We could give a late round pick + a low/mid grade prospect (nothing significant) to Fla
Vancouver (or whoever is 5th+) gives a key piece to Fla (but not enough value for 1st)
Fla moves down to where Vancouver (or whoever) is
Vanc moves to 4th
We move to 1st

I wonder what ideas some of you may have for 3 way trades because these 2 way trades are... yeah, let's just move on.

[The Yen Man]

IMO, it doesn't make a lot of sense to give up significant assets to move up 3 spots when there is a consensus top 4 to be had. It'd be different if Calgary was drafting 6 or 7 and wanted to move up. If anything, I see a team like the Canucks trading with Florida.

[Bar-Down]

I'm hoping the Flames stay at 4th and get Reinhart.

Then if they really want to add a top Dman prospect they can try and trade for Griffin Reinhart.

With NYI giving up their 2015 pick, they will want to improve their roster immediately and a deal could be worked out between them and the Flames. (Glenny, Hudler, Stagan, Smid etc. as possible trading chips)

We have 5 picks in the top 90. I would be okay with packaging two picks to get another 1st rounder, but don't waste picks to move up 3 spots when we are going to get a really good player (I think it'll be Sam Reinhart)

[codynw]

Griffin Reinhart is overrated. I don't even think he looks that impressive in juniors.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by rohara66

I've posted this before but...... GIO IS NOT BEING TRADED.

It would never happen. EVER. To promote an internally developed player to captain only to have him play the best season of his career and be our best player then turn around and trade him.... never going to happen.

This is a ridiculous statement... Wayne Gretzky was traded...

... heck, even Dion Phaneuf was traded!!!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

This is a ridiculous statement... Wayne Gretzky was traded

I think we would agree that it was stupid for Edmonton to trade him.

[Jacks]

Some would argue that he was sold considering the amount of cash involved.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think we would agree that it was stupid for Edmonton to trade him.

No good worthy.