[Rumour] Buffalo's and Florida's 1st round picks are in play

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Considering that we were willing to part with Colorado's 2nd earlier, I'm assuming adding Hudler is overpaying.

Perhaps as Ashasx said, Glencross waives - would that do it? And I dunno why you lumped 4th overall in there separate from the Sams and Leon.

I was just proving a point. In my opinion, Ekblad is valued more then the 3 centers, but the center (4th OA) is worth keeping and not moving up if you are just going packaging a pick and Hudler with them too. I don't think Glencross would ever waive, he just wants to stay here.

[Poe969]

If we can't get Ekblad at the draft, I hope we find a way to get Myers or another young defenseman.

[Monahan23]

HIGH 1ST: 4th OA
PICKS: COL 2nd
ESTABLISHED 2ND LINER: Dennis Wideman (50% retained)

add Hanowski or Agostino

[RM14]

To Florida: $10,000,000 Cash
To Calgary: 1st overall pick

[GGG]

The other think to consider is that the high first from 4 is alot different than at 10. I think when Buffalo and Florida are shopping the pick it isn't to edmonton and Calgary. Its to the next 5 or 6 teams.

The idea behind a team moving up in this draft would be to get into the top tier wether that is 4,5 or 6 guys. i would suspect the price for us to move from to 4 would just be the established player and our first or our first and our 2nd. Still not worth it.

But for a team like Vancouver at 6 it might be worth it to move up a tier of players.

[mile]

Originally Posted by GGG

The other think to consider is that the high first from 4 is alot different than at 10. I think when Buffalo and Florida are shopping the pick it isn't to edmonton and Calgary. Its to the next 5 or 6 teams.

The idea behind a team moving up in this draft would be to get into the top tier wether that is 4,5 or 6 guys. i would suspect the price for us to move from to 4 would just be the established player and our first or our first and our 2nd. Not worth it.

But for a team like Vancouver at 6 it might be worth it to move up a tier of players.

Yeah, when we are talking about a 'high first' we don't know what this means exactly. Maybe for Florida they are looking for a pick in the #5-10 range or Buffalo is looking to trade with someone else in the top 4. If either of these two teams still wanted a top 4 pick I'd expect the additional price to be less than a 2nd/3rd and established top 6 player.

There is gonna be at least one team who is willing to pay that price though if they think one of the top 4 is a tier above the rest.
They definitely are not going to trade the pick for a high 1st + scraps/marginal players like Wideman. They are going to want someone like Hudler or Glencross in return.

[Scoreface]

Yeah, they are saying this to mainly teams outside the top 5 as some of these prospects ranked in the top 5 and more certainly beyond ~5 won't be top 6 players. They're widening their scope to many more teams to field many more offers and potentially maximize value.

I don't believe we are included in that price range. Maybe Edmonton as they are no good and the Isles, as Snow is no good either, but NO frickin way do we give up a top 6 player to move up.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That's still overpayment for the 1st OA.

1st OA (Ekblad) <<< Hudler + Pens' 3rd (86th OA) + 4th OA - (Reinhart/Bennett/Draisaitl)

Agreed. Way overpriced.
I doubt if anything will happen, but if it did, I would think it would be with a team in the 6-8 range (and perhaps NYI at 5), because 1-4 are so close. Unless the top 6 guy is really just a salary dump, a high first and a second should be enough in a year like this.

[sureLoss]

This might be the perfect opportunity for the three way trade:

To Flames:
1st OA

To Vancouver:
4th OA

To Florida:
6th OA
Jannik Hansen
34th OA

or something along those lines. (i.e. other players plus picks)

Combine assets with another #5-10 team. They go up to 4th OA, Flames go up to 1st OA, Panthers drop down and get picks/players.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

This might be the perfect opportunity for the three way trade:

To Flames:
1st OA

To Vancouver:
4th OA

To Florida:
6th OA
Jannik Hansen
34th OA

or something along those lines

You need to email that to Treliving stat. That's great for all involved

[Jacks]

That's the first proposal I've seen here that makes sense for all sides.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The draft is about trying to restock the system and fill holes. We are guaranteed getting a player that addresses one of our biggest needs, a center or a blue liner. We also have 5 picks in the first 100, meaning we get a crack at some really good talent to fill the system with more potential players. This is a win situation. Trading away that opportunity for one player, who is not even considered better than his peers in the 1-4 range, seems foolish and counter to rebuilding through the draft. The Flames need to be patient, take the BPA on their list, and wait for the talent to mature. Unless you're trading for proven NHL talent you are not doing anything to improve the chances of the team in the near or long term. A single top pick doesn't change fortunes. Multiple successful picks from a single draft change fortunes!

[dammage79]

The only way you trade up is to guarantee you get the guy you want if you're not a fan of taking what's left on the table. Doesn't necessarily have to be Ekblad. If you're high on Bennett and can trade up reasonably to guarantee you get him you'll do it.

[djsFlames]

4th overall, Colorado's 2nd, Hudler. An alright prospect of our choosing coming back, though.

I'd do it, to have our pick of the crop.

Moving Hudler makes Gaudreau coming in less of an issue in the size department. We can sign a guy like Vrbata to replace some offense on the right side and help mentor the kids. I know we still lose production without Hudler, but if there's any year I wouldn't hate to see us gamble with a roster of young kids it's this year. The consolation prize would eliminate any regrets.

[FlameZilla]

I'm happy to stay at #4, but for the right price I would love move up to add Ekblad. I think he could step right into the lineup next season and his booming slapshot would look great on the PP.

You'd think a 2nd & a 3rd round pick would be more than adequate to move up 3 spots in the draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

1. If we trade up, I hope it's for one of the Sam's as opposed to Ekblad
2. I'd rather not trade up, even if it only costs the 34th overall, because...

A. We are rebuilding and need to throw lots of mud at the wall, so keep and stockpile as many picks as possible
B. IMO it's not worth giving up anything to move to #1 when their isn't much difference in prospect quality between the top 4 players

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. If we trade up, I hope it's for one of the Sam's as opposed to Ekblad
2. I'd rather not trade up, even if it only costs the 34th overall, because...

A. We are rebuilding and need to throw lots of mud at the wall, so keep and stockpile as many picks as possible
B. IMO it's not worth giving up anything to move to #1 when their isn't much difference in prospect quality between the top 4 players

Throwing mud at the wall is a strategy and all, but when there's an opportunity to add a unique, blue-chip prospect that addresses one of the major, major deficiencies of the prospect pool then you should be taking that opportunity – if the price is right.

Ekblad is a stud. He may not be Seth Jones, but he would be the best defensive prospect we've had in 20 years.

[Caged Great]

I'd rather attempt to move several good pieces to the Isles for #5 instead of putting more than Smid to move up to #1, say Hudler + Smid + something for #5.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'm 100% certain that nothing will happen.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Throwing mud at the wall is a strategy and all, but when there's an opportunity to add a unique, blue-chip prospect that addresses one of the major, major deficiencies of the prospect pool then you should be taking that opportunity – if the price is right.



Ekblad is a stud. He may not be Seth Jones, but he would be the best defensive prospect we've had in 20 years.