Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yup, I don't care how many innocent people die in car wrecks, I'm keeping my car

You should, a car is used to transport things from one place to another. Guns are used to kill things, like 7 innocent people. I can see why you support them.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yup, I don't care how many innocent people die in car wrecks, I'm keeping my car

Do you even know how ignorent that comment is? you must be from Mississippi or Alabama!

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

You should, a car is used to transport things from one place to another. Guns are used to kill things, like 7 innocent people. I can see why you support them.

Because I like target shooting, I like hunting, Venison is damn tasty. Some like working on cars (which I like also) some like doing stupid crap like smoking dope or Cigs that kill millions a year but where is your outrage about that?

I'm just saying that why accuse the gun when it takes someone to pull the trigger. You don't see people wanting to ban cars when some ####### kills people with them, or ban alcohol, tobacco ect...

I don't know the stats but I'd be willing to bet that most shootings are done with illegal weapons. Like Sandy Hook, Kid killed his mom, stole her guns and car and murdered innocent kids

so with your theory in blaming the tools for killing, the sandy hook massacre used both a car and guns to kill those innocent kids. Ban em both!

one thing is, my guns are safe, they've only killed Deer, Coons, squirrels, yotes, and pigs. (well a lot of paper) I don't feel I should be punished because some rich emo douch*bag isn't getting laid and takes it out on innocent kids.

most of these shootings are due to some idiot not being hugged enough by their parents as a kid or some crap like that. Why didn't we have these mass shootings 40-50 years ago? could it be all the psychological medicine crap that we shove down our throats? I mean, it was only the government shooting innocent people at schools in Texas or Ohio.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by T@T

Do you even know how ignorent that comment is? you must be from Mississippi or Alabama!

*ignorant

But yes

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by T@T

Tough talk, but in the end I would bet you would give them up instead of jail..after all, what possibly could make your guns so important to you?.

For the record I'm not just an anti gun person, I'm only against guns specifically made for killing people, handguns and assault weapons belong in the same place as hand grenades and rocket launchers.

the comment wasn't as if the gov. came for the guns, the comment is for all those anti gun crowd that think that everyone should conform to them to make them feel comfortable.

it's like all the people that bitch about being PC here in the country but then flipped out about the Michael Sam kiss during the draft....

I don't think guns will ever be banned here, the government may go other ways to make them useless like making one buy a license to get ammo or cut the production of ammo to make it nearly impossible to use.

simple fact of the matter, in this country with probably one of the largest gang populations in the world the banning of guns will not stop the killings. Just the white collar type killings where white kids are being shot not the inner city kids being killed.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Because I like target shooting, I like hunting, Venison is damn tasty. Some like working on cars (which I like also) some like doing stupid crap like smoking dope or Cigs that kill millions a year but where is your outrage about that?

I'm just saying that why accuse the gun when it takes someone to pull the trigger. You don't see people wanting to ban cars when some ####### kills people with them, or ban alcohol, tobacco ect...

I don't know the stats but I'd be willing to bet that most shootings are done with illegal weapons. Like Sandy Hook, Kid killed his mom, stole her guns and car and murdered innocent kids

so with your theory in blaming the tools for killing, the sandy hook massacre used both a car and guns to kill those innocent kids. Ban em both!

one thing is, my guns are safe, they've only killed Deer, Coons, squirrels, yotes, and pigs. (well a lot of paper) I don't feel I should be punished because some rich emo douch*bag isn't getting laid and takes it out on innocent kids.

most of these shootings are due to some idiot not being hugged enough by their parents as a kid or some crap like that. Why didn't we have these mass shootings 40-50 years ago? could it be all the psychological medicine crap that we shove down our throats? I mean, it was only the government shooting innocent people at schools in Texas or Ohio.

Hypothetical question but I'll ask anyway. Would you give up your guns if you knew everyone else was and doing so would save lives?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

so with your theory in blaming the tools for killing, the sandy hook massacre used both a car and guns to kill those innocent kids. Ban em both!
.

Guns are tools for killing. Cars are tools for transportation.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by PIMking

*ignorant

But yes

Bwhahahahah Epic

Seriously though...lots of people who have never had the joy of directly slaughtering something have a difficult time understanding why people are so wrapped up in defending the honour of gunpowder...

I think people (even pro-gun) should be much more concerned about the lobbyists who can override the democratic will of most of the population when it comes to very modest gun control (i.e. increased background checks, selling of fingerprint scanner-secure firearms etc).

In fact the OVERALL ability of a well funded lobby to get more political traction than voters in the US should be a bigger concern of anyone who gives a f*** about the spirit of the US constitution.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Because I like target shooting, I like hunting, Venison is damn tasty. Some like working on cars (which I like also) some like doing stupid crap like smoking dope or Cigs that kill millions a year but where is your outrage about that?

I'm just saying that why accuse the gun when it takes someone to pull the trigger. You don't see people wanting to ban cars when some ####### kills people with them, or ban alcohol, tobacco ect...

I have yet to hear of people dying from second hand alcohol use (FASD potentially, but that is a stretch) and smoking is banned in nearly all public places at least in Canada. After that it has become less socially acceptable to smoke in public, this is an example of people giving up their "freedoms" for an increase in stability of all of society. I get the argument that bad people have guns and rah rah rah but look at the majority of murders, they happen when ordinary people have access to them, it isn't as though it is as simple as keeping guns out of the hands of people with mental health issues, it is better to keep the guns out of the hands of everyone. I get that guns are fun to shoot, but the practical purpose of a handgun is simple... to shoot people.

I don't know the stats but I'd be willing to bet that most shootings are done with illegal weapons. Like Sandy Hook, Kid killed his mom, stole her guns and car and murdered innocent kids

So the answer to that is to do nothing? Seriously, your legitimate reason for not reducing guns is that they are easy to steal and readily available?

so with your theory in blaming the tools for killing, the sandy hook massacre used both a car and guns to kill those innocent kids. Ban em both!

A guy with a car is potentially dangerous, we heavily legislate who can drive a car, you have to pass a test, you have to have insurance, if you fail to meet specifics, then you will lose that ability to drive. In fact guns should be like cars, while not banned completely, heavily monitored and registered. I assume that this isn't what you have meant though.

one thing is, my guns are safe, they've only killed Deer, Coons, squirrels, yotes, and pigs. (well a lot of paper) I don't feel I should be punished because some rich emo douch*bag isn't getting laid and takes it out on innocent kids.

Okay, so in your previous example you said that guns were stolen and used for crimes? Are your guns any different?

most of these shootings are due to some idiot not being hugged enough by their parents as a kid or some crap like that. Why didn't we have these mass shootings 40-50 years ago? could it be all the psychological medicine crap that we shove down our throats? I mean, it was only the government shooting innocent people at schools in Texas or Ohio.

And I'm arguing with an idiot.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

yup, I don't care how many innocent people die in car wrecks, I'm keeping my car

Cars are made for transportation, it just happens that a side effect is some people die.

Handguns and assault weapons are made for one thing, killing people.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

And I'm arguing with an idiot.

C'mon man. PIMKing is good ****. His views are way different from ours, obviously, but no need for that.

[DownInFlames]

Trying to equate guns and cars is asinine. If we banned civilians from owning guns (and I'm not saying we should) what would be the effect? You'd probably have to find something else to do on a Saturday other than going to the range. If we banned vehicles it would cause our entire society to collapse. So, not exactly equal, eh?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flameswin

C'mon man. PIMKing is good ****. His views are way different from ours, obviously, but no need for that.

Originally Posted by PIMking

most of these shootings are due to some idiot not being hugged enough by their parents as a kid or some crap like that. Why didn't we have these mass shootings 40-50 years ago? could it be all the psychological medicine crap that we shove down our throats? I mean, it was only the government shooting innocent people at schools in Texas or Ohio.

So he devolves mental illness into someone not getting hugged enough by their parents as a kid, he then says that shootings are the result of medications... and then has something about what I can only assume is a reference to Kent State and Waco saying that the government shoots people.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Because I like target shooting, I like hunting, Venison is damn tasty.

You do realise nobody cares about your hunting rifles/shotguns right? or are you one of those hicks that hunt deer with a 44 mag handgun equipped with a peep scope? or target shoot with an assault rifle?.

Per capita more Canadian's probably own hunting guns than Americans, but every American should look themselfs in the mirror and ask why they really feel the need for weapons made to kill another human.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by flameswin

C'mon man. PIMKing is good ****. His views are way different from ours, obviously, but no need for that.

No doubt he's a good person and feels he shouldn't be punished for the actions of a minority of gun owners. The problem is the gun lobby is blocking any kind of gun control, even background checks, and people are dying because of it. Those deaths should be enough for him (and others like him) to budge a little from his position, but he's not willing. I can see why that makes people mad and resorting to insults.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

No doubt he's a good person and feels he shouldn't be punished for the actions of a minority of gun owners. The problem is the gun lobby is blocking any kind of gun control, even background checks, and people are dying because of it. Those deaths should be enough for him (and others like him) to budge a little from his position, but he's not willing. I can see why that makes people mad and resorting to insults.

Oh yeah, count me in the group that's frustrated with his opinion knowing that him and the millions of Americans with the same view are a big part of why these tragedies keep happening, whether they think they are or not.

[DuffMan]

Blaming medicines or psychotropic drugs is the latest NRA mind meld with their legion of sheep. Video games, and now drugs. It's been popular since the last fort hood shootings as the guy was on medication.
The weird thing is people in Canada, Japan Australia and the UK are taking the same drugs, just not near as many mass shootings.

[T@T]

Just got a responce from a family member who lives in Brisbane. she followed this a lot and may be a little off but from her memory she said.

Polls for/against strict gun control:

1996 (gun control legislation year)
36% for - 61% against

2006 (10 year anv)
64% for - 33% against

After Sandy Hook
83% for - 15% against

I think the latest USA poll shows 72% of Americans are against strict gun control but there is hope.

[Sr. Mints]

edit: okay, that joke was in bad taste and I apologize.

[Shnabdabber]

Originally Posted by T@T

Do you even know how ignorent that comment is? you must be from Mississippi or Alabama!

Oh, the irony.

T&T, you say you have no problem with hunting rifles or shotguns, just handguns and "assault weapons" which, you say, are only made for one thing, killing people.

What are your thoughts on this rifle, the Lee Enfield...



...the most common hunting/sporting rifle in Canada?