EC Playoffs Eastern Final: New York Rangers vs Montreal Canadiens

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

Wow. That was deep.

Need a shovel deep...

[Lanny'sDaMan]

So here is what I have learned in the last two pages of this thread:

Habs fans are whiny french people with a persecution Complex.
Alberta is populated with only redneck french hating hicks.
Everyone sucks.
Nothing is fair.

I believe that summarizes that, so in an attempt to bring this conversation back to hockey:

Man Tokarski is looking pretty good. I feel a bad for Budaj knowing his team doesn't trust him, though to be fair his recent play hasn't exactly inspired confidence. And the Rags have looked far stronger than I had expected them to look. I think it's funny how The Habs out played them in the second game and lost, and then the exact inverse happened in game 3. Playoffs are a funny and strange beast.

[Scoreface]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Need a shovel deep...

Nah was thinking deep dish pizza. You're so smart.

[Scoreface]

All that aside, I've really been impressed with Tokarski's game as he controlled rebounds well and played a real quiet game. He never got flustered with guys in front of him and crashing the crease. Was it Boyle that was doing the 'Avery' to him? He asserted himself there but never lost composure. If he keeps this up, man, would they ever have a nice tandem next year. Just can't say enough good things about the native of Watson, Sk.

Now that the sheriff has dealt with things (rightly or wrong), I think this series takes off nicely with maybe a few cheap shots and rough stuff after the whistle, but not the garbage we witnessed in game 3. Vanek doesn't seem interested in playoff hockey though. Maybe his mind is in MN? At this rate they may not want him. He needs a good goalie paddle in the rear. It's him vs Bourque for the best disappearing act with Plekanec challenging for that dubious distinction.

Subban can be a difference maker..either way. Who knows what will happen when he's out there! I actually enjoy that factor. Not many signed up for a series this interesting and polarizing, but I for one am thankful we have that, as the hockey is pretty good and we may still have a goaltending duel. No complaints here.

[Resolute 14]

This series would be a lot less annoying if someone just duck taped Michel Therrien's mouth shut. Dude is a grade A crybaby.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

And it's not even our tribe.

Which makes the participants that much more pitiful.

[EldrickOnIce]

Might be a ways out there, but speculation in Montreal media than Stepan plays Sunday, that the broken jaw was made up in hopes of longer suspension.

Stepan was examined by team doctors and X-rayed, the diagnostic showing no fracture, and he was cleared to return to action. He next appeared on the official scoresheet 6:10 later, at 8:58 elapsed time, then three seconds later delivered a thunderous end-boards bodycheck of Canadiens defenceman Alexei Emelin.

Stepan would play a total of 24 shifts for 17:46 in total ice time, 22 shifts and 16:52 of that time presumably played with a broken jaw. He was hit on his second shift of the game and played four more in the first period, nine in the second, eight more in the third and one in overtime, earning the second assist on Chris Kreider’s tying goal with 29 seconds left in regulation time.

Stepan took the opening faceoff of overtime...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch...tml?rel=873605

[taco.vidal]

I was thinking about the extent of the injury yesterday. I don't think the teams provide medical report to the league. I believe that there is a fracture of some sort in his jaw. Does a cracked tooth count as a broken jaw? I suspect its a very small fracture of no consequence and Steppan will be back next game without a cage.

I wouldn't be surprised if this causes an NHL rule change where the Department of Player Safety requires medical records to avoid shenanigans like what potentially happened hear.

Time will tell what the truth is.

[Nufy]

If he does play and without a cage, I expect the jaw to be tested same as Getzlaf's was in the Dallas series.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Might be a ways out there, but speculation in Montreal media than Stepan plays Sunday, that the broken jaw was made up in hopes of longer suspension.



http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch...tml?rel=873605

Made up? They made up the surgery and everything? I would have to think lying about this would invoke penalties from the league.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Made up? They made up the surgery and everything? I would have to think lying about this would invoke penalties from the league.

Didn't write the story...
Not sure how one defines 'broken jaw' and ' dental surgery'. As stated above is that a broken root on a tooth that is fixed? I dunno. Stephan hasn't been ruled out from playing.
Time will tell.

[MissTeeks]

He had a plate put in according to Dreger:

“@DarrenDreger: Stepan had a plate inserted to stabilize fractured jaw. Still unclear as to whether or not he will be able to play. #toughdude”

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Didn't write the story...
Not sure how one defines 'broken jaw' and ' dental surgery'. As stated above is that a broken root on a tooth that is fixed? I dunno. Stephan hasn't been ruled out from playing.
Time will tell.

Umm, no. A broken tooth is not a broken jaw. The jaw isn't a nebulous region of the mouth. It is a very specific bone.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Umm, no. A broken tooth is not a broken jaw. The jaw isn't a nebulous region of the mouth. It is a very specific bone.

OK Doc
And the medical report on every injury goes to the NHL office?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

OK Doc
And the medical report on every injury goes to the NHL office?

Does it go to your medical office?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Does it go to your medical office?

I linked to a newspaper article, and suggested it was a pretty far fetched theory.
So I guess, to answer your question, no - it does not go to my medical office.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

OK Doc
And the medical report on every injury goes to the NHL office?

Actually, yes. Teams already have to send proper reports for LTIR/cap compliance purposes, and given the league partially judges suspension length by result of incident, there is no reason to think the league didn't request a copy of the medical report.

In fact, if the NHL doesn't trust what they are told, they can have their own doctors check the player out. The fines for making things up in this regard are huge.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Actually, yes. Teams already have to send proper reports for LTIR/cap compliance purposes, and given the league partially judges suspension length by result of incident, there is no reason to think the league didn't request a copy of the medical report.

In fact, if the NHL doesn't trust what they are told, they can have their own doctors check the player out. The fines for making things up in this regard are huge.

Do you even believe some of the stuff you write yourself?
Do you consider that the Rangers are asking for LTIR for Stepan?
In reality, What do nhl teams need to disclose?
They need to disclose the 'approximate nature of the injury'. Therefore upper body or lower body.

[Resolute 14]

You apparently don't think there is a difference between a broken tooth and a broken jaw, and you're asking me if *I* believe what I write?

Obviously, no the Rangers aren't looking for an LTIR exemption for Stepan given there is no LTIR in the playoffs. But you asked if medical reports go to the league. The answer, in general, is yes. In this specific incident, given the league was looking at supplemental discipline, one would have to be pretty naive (or ridiculously biased) to think that the league failed to request details of the injury to Stepan.

Also, the "upper" or "lower" body injury is for public consumption only. You can't seriously think that the NHL would have been satisfied with "he's got an upper body injury", can you?

Actually, scratch that. I do believe you could seriously think that.

[MissTeeks]

“@DarrenDreger: Stepan was released from hospital last night and is not on the ice for the morning skate.”