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[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by codynw

Nah, the smart company didn't come up with a stupid strategy that needed adjusting in the first place.

Smart companies would have done proper market research, focus group concept verification and price assessment. None of which MSFT did before trying to jam things barely anyone wanted down consumer throats. They didn't even have the balls to stick to their guns. It's how the majority perceives these moves.

Laziness and stupidity put MSFT into this mess, backtracking won't help when you've already messed up initial consumer perceptions. Same reasoning why 85% of iPhone users don't use Siri. It's extremely hard to recovery from bad initial impressions, applies to many aspects of human psychology from dating to business.

[chemgear]

Sony certainly seemed to be aware of the #PS4NoDRM twitter campaign around this time last year before E3. Meanwhile, you had Microsoft messaging and attitudes like this out about DRM and always-on check-ins:




Really fascinating to watch how things folded last year with their two approaches.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by codynw

Nah, the smart company didn't come up with a stupid strategy that needed adjusting in the first place.

Lol, the same "smart" company that is hemmoraging money left right and centre, while the "dumb" one has been pulling in record revenues?

They made a gaming machine, and have altered course within 6 months of launch to appeal more to what fans and consumers want...and now its not good enough because they aren't "sticking to their guns".

At the end of the day, they made a product you didn't want, so you bought the competitors...just enjoy the system you have. People need to stop acting like MS murdered their dog or something.

In the end both machines do basically the same thing, no need to get so emotional towards either corporation.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

None of which MSFT did before trying to jam things barely anyone wanted down consumer throats.

This is called the "Nintendo" approach.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

This is called the "Nintendo" approach.

Seems to have worked well for them as well. Wii U anyone?

[Russic]

Originally Posted by chemgear

What's amazing about all this is that from that tweet, MS had a perfect beta test of how that decision would be seen in the public eye. They could have either ditched the idea then or formulated very careful messaging around it. Somehow they did neither. I've always found that incredibly strange.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by codynw

Nah, the smart company didn't come up with a stupid strategy that needed adjusting in the first place.

You mean like Sony with the PS3? How did the "next gen doesn't start until we say it starts" go for them? The PS4 is essentially Sony's adjustment for losing out to Microsoft last gen. If Sony was so smart they wouldn't be a junk stock.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean like Sony with the PS3? How did the "next gen doesn't start until we say it starts" go for them?

Absolutely, that arrogance was cringe worthy. I swear there has to be something about that "third console" curse.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Absolutely, that arrogance was cringe worthy. I swear there has to be something about that "third console" curse.

Yeah maybe 3rd isn't a charm as I don't believe N64 was a hit in respect to the original PS.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah maybe 3rd isn't a charm as I don't believe N64 was a hit in respect to the original PS.

The N64 sold 33 million units, the PS1 sold 103 million units. While many of us may fondly remember the N64 days, it certainly wasn't a financial success compared to the PS1.

[Hemi-Cuda]

The N64 controller is probably the worst in history for a mainstream console. So awkward and uncomfortable to use

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by hemi-cuda

the n64 controller is probably the worst in history for a mainstream console. So awkward and uncomfortable to use

blasphemy!

[Russic]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Absolutely, that arrogance was cringe worthy. I swear there has to be something about that "third console" curse.

It makes sense for those consoles. Both were coming off big successes at the time, so they felt they had some wiggle room with regards to risk-taking. The idea that people will just buy a console based off what they had in the previous generation doesn't seem to carry over as much as you'd think in the video game arena. I've always found that odd considering the fevered internet arguing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean like Sony with the PS3? How did the "next gen doesn't start until we say it starts" go for them? The PS4 is essentially Sony's adjustment for losing out to Microsoft last gen. If Sony was so smart they wouldn't be a junk stock.

PS3 outsold the xbox 360 despite coming out a year later...its close but the gap gets bigger everyday.

not to mention how many people bought multiple 360s because of RROD, I bought 3 in the lifetime but my launch PS3 still works

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

man the hate for microsoft on this thread is palpable. God for them for adjusting their strategy - isn't that what smart businesses do?

I think the "hate" has more to do with the denial of the company and fanboys...a couple months back microsoft said the xboxone wouldn't even function without Kinect many were saying how great it is microsoft is so innovative ect.


Now, they are shrewd for adjusting their business plan and selling weaker hardware for the same price as ps4 and about to show multiple bro shooters at E3. So innovative

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

PS3 outsold the xbox 360 despite coming out a year later...its close but the gap gets bigger everyday.

not to mention how many people bought multiple 360s because of RROD, I bought 3 in the lifetime but my launch PS3 still works

The PS3 barely outsold the 360 worldwide and we all know the difference is because of Japan who simply won't buy an American console. Microsoft owned the most lucrative market (North America) by a significant margin. Informed people would also know that 360 sold significantly more software (a lot of PS3's were used mostly as Blu-ray players) over the generation which is where the real money is made. Please lets not revisit this argument again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The PS3 barely outsold the 360 worldwide and we all know the difference is because of Japan. Microsoft owned the most lucrative market (North America) by a significant margin. Informed people would also know that 360 sold significantly more software (a lot of PS3's were used mostly as Blu-ray players) over the generation which is where the real money is made. Please lets not revisit this argument again.

earlier yes, in the last few years ps3 is selling more hardware and software because they sony didn't abandon the system

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

earlier yes, in the last few years ps3 is selling more hardware and software because they sony didn't abandon the system

Let it go son. Let it go.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Let it go son. Let it go.

let what go? reality? You prefer Xbox thats fine, I used to agree but like many others I have moved on


its funny how you are still condescending after being proven wrong time and time again. I was attacked for saying microsoft would unbundle Kinect, now if you want to attack me for saying PS3 has better lifetime sales because they didn't abandon their console that's fine too. Its pretty obvious, Microsoft ditched the hardcore games that built their brand and went after the casual audience. It has blown up in their face

the fact that microsoft has lots of money because they sell word processing software also has nothing to do with gaming

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

let what go? reality? You prefer Xbox thats fine, I used to agree but like many others I have moved on


its funny how you are still condescending after being proven wrong time and time again. I was attacked for saying microsoft would unbundle Kinect, now if you want to attack me for saying PS3 has better lifetime sales because they didn't abandon their console that's fine too. Its pretty obvious, Microsoft ditched the hardcore games that built their brand and went after the casual audience. It has blown up in their face

the fact that microsoft has lots of money because they sell word processing software also has nothing to do with gaming

What exactly did I attack you over? We all know the PS3 sold a few more consoles worldwide but we all know Microsoft sold more software last gen and more consoles by far in the most lucrative market. What is the problem here?

Also last I saw Microsoft is still selling hardware and releasing software for the 360 so I am not sure where this abandonment comment is coming from.