Ring Road To Nowhere

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I don't see it. Even without the new interchange projects cutting through Glenmore is still faster than going all the way around, especially for trucks coming off Hwy 8. Even Hwy 1 to Hwy 1 would be easier by cutting to Glenmore (less hill climbing than taking Stoney north with negligible difference in time and distance).

Once the SW segment is built, Glenmore will NEVER be faster. For one thing, you avoid the train tracks near Ogden/Shepard.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Once the SW segment is built, Glenmore will NEVER be faster. For one thing, you avoid the train tracks near Ogden/Shepard.

Considering Glenmore 's interaction with the CP mainline at Ogden will be gone before the SWRR is even started...

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I haven't heard this before? Source?

Someone who worked for the government. Treat it as hearsay.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Considering Glenmore 's interaction with the CP mainline at Ogden will be gone before the SWRR is even started...

Sweet, good to know.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Considering Glenmore 's interaction with the CP mainline at Ogden will be gone before the SWRR is even started...

Is that overpass finally in the plans again?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by SebC

Someone who worked for the government. Treat it as hearsay.

This sounds more like an attack from the opposition parties though. Otherwise there would be a balance sheet floating around that would include all of these projects.

[You Need a Thneed]

Glenmore /Ogden interchange is funded and will start construction this year.

The businesses between the lanes of Glenmore between Ogden and Barlow have been closed, and are in the process of being demolished.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Once the SW segment is built, Glenmore will NEVER be faster. For one thing, you avoid the train tracks near Ogden/Shepard.

The challenge of the ring road will always be the trade-off of travelling an something like an extra 30-40 kilometres along the ring road to save about five minutes of time instead to travelling directly across the city.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

The challenge of the ring road will always be the trade-off of travelling an something like an extra 30-40 kilometres along the ring road to save about five minutes of time instead to travelling directly across the city.

Thus the province's proposal to realign the Trans Canada Highway along Hwys 901 and 22X. When all is said and done, you will likely be entering Calgary in the south at 88 Street and taking the ring road around the south and west if you're going to Banff and BC.

Also, depending on the time of day, even the current alignment can represent a major time savings. To go from McKenzie Towne to Bowness at rush hour is 30 minutes faster around the entire ring road than a more direct route (Deerfoot/52nd to Glenmore to Sarcee) despite being 30km longer.

[Tron_fdc]

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Glenmore turned into a non-truck route. I remember hearing something about trucks carrying hazardous goods across the reservoir, which is the city's main source of drinking water. I believe someone at some point wanted them off?

Trucks would still cross the Elbow on the RR though, although it wouldn't be the accident magnet the Glenmore causeway is.

[You Need a Thneed]

Glenmore will always be a truck route. There's no alternative.

Only one type of Hazardous goods cannot cross the reservoir.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

The challenge of the ring road will always be the trade-off of travelling an something like an extra 30-40 kilometres along the ring road to save about five minutes of time instead to travelling directly across the city.

Just to give an illustration of what the province has/had in mind:



Based on the proposal above, bypass traffic would actually save time since they won't have to travel north for a long period of time aside from the Sarcee Trail portion of SWCRR.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Slava

This sounds more like an attack from the opposition parties though. Otherwise there would be a balance sheet floating around that would include all of these projects.

Our balance sheet has a line for capital assets, but I'm unable to find the breakdown. My source may be mistaken, or something may have gotten "lost in translation", but I can assure you that this does not come from opposition.

And it does make some sense that when you buy something, it's cash negative but net income neutral in the short term (depreciates long term). When you buy something and give it to someone else, it's cash negative and net income negative.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Glenmore /Ogden interchange is funded and will start construction this year.

The businesses between the lanes of Glenmore between Ogden and Barlow have been closed, and are in the process of being demolished.

Know where the plans/project details can be found? Last plans I've seen were for a split intersection similar to 16ave @ deerfoot, wondering how they plan on fitting the interchange there. Does that mean access to 30th street will be cut off?

Sorry for the derail.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Know where the plans/project details can be found? Last plans I've seen were for a split intersection similar to 16ave @ deerfoot, wondering how they plan on fitting the interchange there. Does that mean access to 30th street will be cut off?

Sorry for the derail.

There is a very new project page on the city's website, it doesn't currently have any drawings though.

In a nutshell though:

Glenmore will go overtop Ogden Road/ Shepard Road - both of which will be realigned. Glenmore will be in the centre of the right of way, instead of pushed up against the north like it is now. Heading Southbound, Ogden will no longer curve to the left and connect to Shepard Road, but rather curve to the right and connect straight into 24th Street. Shepard Road will connect into 24th Street.

Glenmore will get a new bridge over the CP mainline, the irrigation canal, the CN siding, and the future SE LRT right of Way.

30th Street will no longer have direct access onto Glenmore, but might connect to the existing Glenmore roadway, which may become service roads/ramps onto the Glenmore mainline.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by SebC

Our balance sheet has a line for capital assets, but I'm unable to find the breakdown. My source may be mistaken, or something may have gotten "lost in translation", but I can assure you that this does not come from opposition.

And it does make some sense that when you buy something, it's cash negative but net income neutral in the short term (depreciates long term). When you buy something and give it to someone else, it's cash negative and net income negative.

It makes sense, I don't dispute that at all. I would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of what the carrying values are for a lot of these assets. I wonder if that's available anywhere?

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

There is a very new project page on the city's website, it doesn't currently have any drawings though.

In a nutshell though:

Glenmore will go overtop Ogden Road/ Shepard Road - both of which will be realigned. Glenmore will be in the centre of the right of way, instead of pushed up against the north like it is now. Heading Southbound, Ogden will no longer curve to the left and connect to Shepard Road, but rather curve to the right and connect straight into 24th Street. Shepard Road will connect into 24th Street.

Glenmore will get a new bridge over the CP mainline, the irrigation canal, the CN siding, and the future SE LRT right of Way.

30th Street will no longer have direct access onto Glenmore, but might connect to the existing Glenmore roadway, which may become service roads/ramps onto the Glenmore mainline.

Wow, that's going to have a huge impact on traffic in the SE while constructing it. Loss of 30th will hurt as well. Sounds like a 2-3 year project with all the new grades required?

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Wow, that's going to have a huge impact on traffic in the SE while constructing it. Loss of 30th will hurt as well. Sounds like a 2-3 year project with all the new grades required?

Yikes, that does sound like quite the mess.

Can 24th street accomodate that traffic? Wouldn't this increase traffic on 18th street which much already be getting congested from Quarry Park and only go to grow exponentially?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Slava

It makes sense, I don't dispute that at all. I would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of what the carrying values are for a lot of these assets. I wonder if that's available anywhere?

I couldn't find it, but I'd love to see it as well. Total capital assets on the books are about $22B.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by Acey

I posted them in this thread a while back for Deerfoot, an initial drop then they went right back up to the same level, +/- a few percent. The 40,000 vehicles on Stoney, then, have come from 52 St, Barlow, 100 St. Without numbers for these secondary thoroughfares which have undoubtedly seen a drop in volume, there is no way to definitively say this is induced demand.

Isn't a portion of the short-term induced demand the new traffic that has replaced the vehicles that have moved from Deerfoot et. al. to the RR?