Hockey's Future ranks Flames Prospect Pool 6th

[Monahan23]

Great HF article here

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ames-prospects

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by BlackWallStreet

If I ever see feaster around town I'm gonna buy him a booster juice

Or an Orange Julius?

[indes]

Originally Posted by scottie

Click on the "Quote! graphic - just like before!

Please send one out to castlegar for me, god I hate being hungover without a booster juice to heal me.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

On the rankings #3 Detroit has Anthony Mantha --- 2 picks ahead of Poirier as their # prospect.


in the Flame system Poirier not even in the Flames top 5 ( well he might be but beaten out by Jankowski) but somehow Detroit is ranked higher.

A logic failure it would seem.

Mantha is at least a tier above Poirier as a prospect, despite their proximity in draft position. I wouldn't rate him higher than Gaudreau if he were a Flame, but he might be next.

[TheDebaser]

Yeah, Mantha's making tons of GM's look like idiots right now. Everyone who picked after Dallas is kicking themselves.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Yeah, Mantha's making tons of GM's look like idiots right now. Everyone who picked after Dallas is kicking themselves.

Except they are probably not. I'm pretty sure the only NHL GM who spends any significant time worrying about who he didn't draft, and about who was drafted by other teams works in Edmonton, and they are no good.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Except they are probably not. I'm pretty sure the only NHL GM who spends any significant time worrying about who he didn't draft, and about who was drafted by other teams works in Edmonton, and they are no good.

Any GM who is not evaluating his organisation's drafting isn't really doing his job.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SebC

Any GM who is not evaluating his organisation's drafting isn't really doing his job.

That's a whole different kettle of fish from pining about how well other teams' prospects are performing, especially only one year removed from their draft year.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

are you trying to prove how useless it is to try and project prospects?

your statement is correct, but not what i was trying to highlight whatsoever. Despite it being damn near impossible to predict/extrapolate a prospects development and transition to the NHL game, there is something to be said about the level of quality in the prospect pool 5 years ago versus today. Yes, we all can get a bit overly optimistic about our team's prospects, but think the flames have positioned themselves much better over the past few years of drafting.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Yeah, Mantha's making tons of GM's look like idiots right now. Everyone who picked after Dallas is kicking themselves.

As far as we know he could be the next Brendl. Let's see him perform in the NHL before we call GMs idiots.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Fire

As far as we know he could be the next Brendl. Let's see him perform in the NHL before we call GMs idiots.

Mantha's career so far kind of resembles Wolski. Both put up huge junior numbers in their last year of junior. Both big with question marks around compete level.

Mantha's case is a little different in that he is eligible to go pro next season but it lines up pretty well otherwise.

Mantha will probably turn out better though just because its Detroit.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Mantha's career so far kind of resembles Wolski. Both put up huge junior numbers in their last year of junior. Both big with question marks around compete level.

Mantha's case is a little different in that he is eligible to go pro next season but it lines up pretty well otherwise.

Mantha will probably turn out better though just because its Detroit.

Disagree. Mantha is a year younger than wolski was, relied much more on physicality and dirty goals than wolski's passing for assists. That bodes much more fairly for Mantha at the NHL level. Also, Mantha kept it up in the playoffs whereas wolski couldn't

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Well keep in mind the pick of Erixon turned into Granlund and Wotherspoon

Without that, Fester's drafting is Monohan, Porier, Gaudreau..... and whatever Jankowski and Sieloff become. To me, picking Monohan doesn't really make him a draft guru but I'm willing to give him that since its really not worth arguing. Porier and Gaudreau were the great picks, I do agree. Not sure Darryl would have been ok drafting Gaudreau.

Without Feaster, Erixon is a draft pick that signs with the NYR for nothing. Give him credit for obtaining the picks AND drafting well with them.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot that I was on page TWO when I quoted that

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by Fire

As far as we know he could be the next Brendl. Let's see him perform in the NHL before we call GMs idiots.

Mantha is going to be one hell of an nhl player. Count on it. Nichushkin is the last player drafted that rivals him. From 10-18 every GM would trade their pick for Mantha and they would do it with a smile.

He had 57 goals and 63 assists for 120 points in 57 games.

In the playoffs he played 24 games, had 24 goals and thirteen assists. He carried his team to win the QMJHL championship.

In comparison Claude Giroux had 112 points in 07 and 106 points in 08. I'm not saying Mantha will be better than Claude Giroux, but I would bet a lot of money that he will be one heck of a player for Detroit for a long time.

If I worked for Detroit I sure as hell wouldn't trade him for Bo Horvat.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SebC

Mantha is at least a tier above Poirier as a prospect, .

Pretty dubious claim.

If Mantha used even half his size on a consistent basis he'd be all world. At times when I've watched him he still leaves you wanting more. He's looked just okay in the Memorial Cup so far.

Still, really like him as a prospect. Detroit will bring him along slowly as there is no rush.

[neo45]

Mantha has insane skill, like better than Drouin, but he is soft for his size and doesn't play defence that well. He will need to be developed in Grand Rapids for sure but they seem to know what their doing at this point in time

Still take Monahan over him 10/10

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Mantha is going to be one hell of an nhl player. Count on it. Nichushkin is the last player drafted that rivals him. From 10-18 every GM would trade their pick for Mantha and they would do it with a smile.

He had 57 goals and 63 assists for 120 points in 57 games.

In the playoffs he played 24 games, had 24 goals and thirteen assists. He carried his team to win the QMJHL championship.

In comparison Claude Giroux had 112 points in 07 and 106 points in 08. I'm not saying Mantha will be better than Claude Giroux, but I would bet a lot of money that he will be one heck of a player for Detroit for a long time.

If I worked for Detroit I sure as hell wouldn't trade him for Bo Horvat.

I'm sure teams kick themselves EVERY DAY when they look back and realize they didn't draft Robbie Schremp.

Schremp: 4th year of junior: GP57; G57; A88; PTS145
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=71793

Mantha: 4th year of junior: GP57; G57; A63; PTS120
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=136790

[Scornfire]

Wasn't shremp 19 or 20 when he scored 145?, pretty sure that was his second season after being drafted

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If Mantha used even half his size on a consistent basis he'd be all world.

The way I see it, unused potential only increases his value as a prospect.

Also, for an apples-to-apples comparison, we need to stop comparing Mantha's draft+1 (?) season to other players' draft+2 (?) years. (Not quite sure what the correct nomenclature is.)

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SebC

The way I see it, unused potential only increases his value as a prospect.

Unused potential is an interesting spin on not showing up on a nightly basis, truly.

I see what you're saying, to a point. Having a player whose managed to attain a high point level while being lazy at times could mean if he becomes consistent he'll put up higher totals. Don't know if that brings up his "value" though.

Gaudreau has put up a high point title while competing every night, his value wouldn't be higher if he was deemed a lazy player.

edit - Just to clarify I am not trying to slag Mantha, I really am not an expert on him at all and haven't had a large number of viewings of him. If SebC has seen him a lot and thinks he's on another level then Poirier, good enough.