CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Baxter claimed to be the doctor way after CBL changed his vote from me and crusaded against Baxter. I can bring up the order of events if you'd like?

Also, all we have in terms of Baxter being the doctor is Baxter saying "I'm the doctor, you guys are making a mistake".

No, CBL lead the crusade away from Legoman to me. I had 7 votes against me before I admitted to being Dr.

[Baxter Renegade]

We should Lynch CBL, then Lego, then kermit.

Thats likely three mafia lynches in a row.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

No, CBL lead the crusade away from Legoman to me. I had 7 votes against me before I admitted to being Dr.

I think we must be referring to two different points in time in day 5 then. Because just going through the thread from the start of day 1. Here's the order of events;

OlingR votes CBL right away, with literally no major reasoning given, other than he's been suspicious of him all game.

DropIt votes Legoman

OlingR switches to flameswin

CBL votes flameswin

flameswin votes flameswin

UCB votes flameswin

BaxterRenegade votes Legoman - OOOHHHH, I didn't catch this major vote that also happened right before CBL's unexplained change in direction.

captaincrunch votes legoman - and another one!

*Now comes CBL's blatant change in direction. An epic post that en ds with no longer voting for flameswin, despite the fact that I'm for sure mafia and heading for a lynch. He switches his crusade to BaxterRenegade.

CBL votes Baxter Renegade.

So at this crucial point in the game, here's the vote tally at this point.

Legoman: 3
flameswin: 4
BaxterRenegade: 1

Then the "shift" towards Baxter happens. Holy ****, there's some pretty damning stuff in here. Let's work with this for bit.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yeah, which is why I think he's full of crap.

I switched my vote because I hope his lying ass gets taken out by the other mafia. If he isn't taken out, and I don't know why he wouldn't be killed at this point then he's probably someone that should be ignored or dealt with the next day. He's either the doctor or he's mafia for the other mafia, he should logically be a dead man.

So you think CBL is town and just not thinking this through properly?

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So you think CBL is town and just not thinking this through properly?

I had to explain this to Kermit a few times before he unvoted... We fought a bit.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Okay, and I'm fairly certain Baxter is mafia as well, so I'm not going to fight against your crusade to lynch him, but your actions are pretty clearly mafia driven, imo. And you should be the next target in day 6.

This town doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything anyone says in this game, anyways. I think we just have kind of a weak crop of players this time that aren't that into it.

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Put your money where your mouth is and stop voting for yourself then.

Originally Posted by flameswin

I only voted for myself once. Also, are you telling me to vote for Baxter or cbl when you say put your money where your mouth is?

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Baxter Renegade.

Originally Posted by flameswin

Alright.

unvote

Vote Baxter renegade

Then there was this exchange between me and Legoman that suddenly seems more interesting.

[jayswin]

Mafia group

CBL
Legoman



This flies in the face of my other thought out theory that actually had Legoman as a scapegoat for mafia. But going over things more clearly now that time and action has progressed, I think we're seeing some pretty clear patterns here.

Who doesn't like this theory?

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

I had to explain this to Kermit a few times before he unvoted... We fought a bit.

You have no impact on my unvote, I'm happy you die regardless. But you're quite wrong about me being mafia, and you've presented no evidence to support it.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Mafia group

CBL
Legoman



This flies in the face of my other thought out theory that actually had Legoman as a scapegoat for mafia. But going over things more clearly now that time and action has progressed, I think we're seeing some pretty clear patterns here.

Who doesn't like this theory?

I believe this to be entirely true. Lego said damning things and CBL swung votes from him. The they didnt listen at all to town reason... Cause they dont think town naturally.

These pieve of evidence are the most solid regarding mafia members yet.

Originally Posted by kermitology

You have no impact on my unvote, I'm happy you die regardless. But you're quite wrong about me being mafia, and you've presented no evidence to support it.

You gave us all the evidence we need during day 5. you are in the same boat as CBL and Lego... Mafia pretending to be town, dont display town logic... at all.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by flameswin

But if CBL is town I will literally take a dump on a plate and eat it for breakfast.

Get a plate and a camera ready, then. This is going to be good.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

Get a plate and a camera ready, then. This is going to be good.

haha, stop placing seeds of doubt in me. My legacy rests on this!

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

You gave us all the evidence we need during day 5. you are in the same boat as CBL and Lego... Mafia pretending to be town, dont display town logic... at all.

Cop out. You've got nothing on me except for everyone to take you at your word. I haven't voted to lynch townies other than hmmhmmcamo when there was pretty much no way not to vote out a towns person.

I pulled my vote from agulati because the numbers didn't make sense to me that he could possibly be mafia. And if you're going to go after me for that, you've got others on your side who did the same thing.

What is the point of revealing that you're the doctor? Logically you die either way, why make that claim in an effort to draw attention away from yourself?

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by ineedanother

Right now I don't see the reason to vote out either Baxter renegade or CBL, as they are both likely targets for the mafia. I agreed with the logic of CBL's regarding the votes.
Right now my top target is Hockeyguy15, as I am really surprised that he has yet to have been targeted. He has been very vocal, as well as voting to get rid of all the townies, except for this last vote where he went after CofR. I think everyone should take a look at HG15 as I am unable to fathom why he has not been targeted.

I think you're 100% right about HG15 as well. It looks like the writing is on the wall for me, though.

"Doctor" Baxter Renegade and flameswin are going to be getting their way before long. If you can swing votes to HG15, I am more than willing to switch my vote. Of course the mafia members will see this as "suspicious" behaviour though. I really drew their attention this round, and I knew they would come after me. I just sort of figured it would be during the night phase, but it makes more sense for them to do it this way. That way they can do their "aw, shucks" next round and apologize to everyone for being "wrong" about me.

I explained to flameswin twice, but I'll make it three times for the town's benefit: I switched my vote from flameswin to Baxter because if I voted to lynch mafia members from the same team twice in a row, I would immediately be accused of being from the other mafia group. If we get one from each round in successive votes, it makes it way easier to identify who is willing to kill mafia from both groups.

But I didn't see people getting drawn in by Baxter and flameswin's BS quite so easily. Oh, well.

Tell you what: get votes in favour of Hockeyguy15 and I will follow suit. If people want to vote for me, I'll even throw in the hammer vote, just to make flameswin and Baxter Renegade look like the lying bunch of liars who lie that they are.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Cop out. You've got nothing on me except for everyone to take you at your word. I haven't voted to lynch townies other than hmmhmmcamo when there was pretty much no way not to vote out a towns person.

I pulled my vote from agulati because the numbers didn't make sense to me that he could possibly be mafia. And if you're going to go after me for that, you've got others on your side who did the same thing.

What is the point of revealing that you're the doctor? Logically you die either way, why make that claim in an effort to draw attention away from yourself?

Totally agree with you 100%. Baxter's tactic is that he accuses EVERYONE of being mafia. I still don't understand why people can't see through him.

I will repeat one more time to the group: LOOK AT BAXTER'S POSTS AND VOTING BEHAVIOUR. Then tell me that he's not so full of it his eyes are brown.

Watch now: Baxter will now go "Aha! Crazy Bacon Legs and kermitology agree that they think I am mafia! More proof they are both mafia!" It's predictable, really.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

OlingR votes CBL right away, with literally no major reasoning given, other than he's been suspicious of him all game.

Exactly how I was suspicious of Starseed all game too? That seemed to work out well enough except not enough people wanted to listen.

Look at my posts about Crazy Bacon Legs, I've been on him from the beginning for more than 1 reason. He goes from "I don't know how this game works" to "I got this completely figured out" in about a day. He's made some completely wrong assumptions:

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

If you are mafia, you know I am not mafia.

This was directed at me. It makes no sense, if I am mafia, how would I know he isn't? How would I know he isn't part of the other mafia? Early "mistakes" like that don't add up with how he wants to portray himself as an expert now. Which is another thing, he made sure to point out how he was new and didn't think of things and didn't know how the game worked. Now he wants us to believe he has the game figured out. He can say it was a ploy to stay alive longer but misdirection and deceit usually tend to be mafia, not town.

He's made lists or wanted to follow lists that have a lot of people on them, like Starseed and Bizaro86 did (Starseed even wanted us to follow Crazy Bacon Legs list). Bizaro86 explicitly states he wont vote for him, which sure is probably too obvious but it's still odd and we are dealing with first time players. He's casted the hammer while saying he is just going with the group, deflecting responsibility like the mafia have been trying to do. In his lists that did include mafia like Starseed, one of the few people he actually named as being suspicious early on was Street Pharmacist who turns out to be the Rolebocker.

With regards to Starseed, he did have him on his list but when it came to voting for him he didn't actually vote until being called out. And then he tries to claim credit for the kill despite having Starseed on a list of 10 other people, many who have been proven to be town now. And of course he has to play up the "I don't know how I didn't die" seemingly each night.

I've pointed, more or less, all of this out several times. You've either missed all of my posts or are purposely being obtuse. I don't know the reasoning, one way or another Crazy Bacon Legs reveal will put a huge target on me. If he ends up town, I've been campaigning for him since literally the first day, if he ends up mafia, I've been campaigning for him since literally the first day. Either way it will come off as shady. I don't understand your angle of acting like I haven't explained my reasoning for voting him though.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Exactly how I was suspicious of Starseed all game too? That seemed to work out well enough except not enough people wanted to listen.

Look at my posts about Crazy Bacon Legs, I've been on him from the beginning for more than 1 reason. He goes from "I don't know how this game works" to "I got this completely figured out" in about a day. He's made some completely wrong assumptions:

This was directed at me. It makes no sense, if I am mafia, how would I know he isn't? How would I know he isn't part of the other mafia? Early "mistakes" like that don't add up with how he wants to portray himself as an expert now. Which is another thing, he made sure to point out how he was new and didn't think of things and didn't know how the game worked. Now he wants us to believe he has the game figured out. He can say it was a ploy to stay alive longer but misdirection and deceit usually tend to be mafia, not town.

He's made lists or wanted to follow lists that have a lot of people on them, like Starseed and Bizaro86 did (Starseed even wanted us to follow Crazy Bacon Legs list). Bizaro86 explicitly states he wont vote for him, which sure is probably too obvious but it's still odd and we are dealing with first time players. He's casted the hammer while saying he is just going with the group, deflecting responsibility like the mafia have been trying to do. In his lists that did include mafia like Starseed, one of the few people he actually named as being suspicious early on was Street Pharmacist who turns out to be the Rolebocker.

With regards to Starseed, he did have him on his list but when it came to voting for him he didn't actually vote until being called out. And then he tries to claim credit for the kill despite having Starseed on a list of 10 other people, many who have been proven to be town now. And of course he has to play up the "I don't know how I didn't die" seemingly each night.

I've pointed, more or less, all of this out several times. You've either missed all of my posts or are purposely being obtuse. I don't know the reasoning, one way or another Crazy Bacon Legs reveal will put a huge target on me. If he ends up town, I've been campaigning for him since literally the first day, if he ends up mafia, I've been campaigning for him since literally the first day. Either way it will come off as shady. I don't understand your angle of acting like I haven't explained my reasoning for voting him though.

Yeah, fair enough, pretty flimsy on my part.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Cop out. You've got nothing on me except for everyone to take you at your word. I haven't voted to lynch townies other than hmmhmmcamo when there was pretty much no way not to vote out a towns person.

I pulled my vote from agulati because the numbers didn't make sense to me that he could possibly be mafia. And if you're going to go after me for that, you've got others on your side who did the same thing.

What is the point of revealing that you're the doctor? Logically you die either way, why make that claim in an effort to draw attention away from yourself?

Dude! Try to follow along! Since you still haven't figured it out from the last 6 times I've pointed it out:

I'm the Doctor. As the Doctor, I'm a townsperson. I had 7 lynch votes against me during day 5. 2 more, and I'm lynched. My decision to reveal I was the doctor was to allow the townies to revoke their votes and have the opportunity to lynch a mafia member. I realize this signs my death warrant, but I'm helping the town to win. By revoking their lynch votes, we get an opportunity to day kill a mafia member... Then during night (where I'm doomed, I know it, everyone SHOULD *Should* ***SHOULD*** know it) The mafia will likely both target me, resulting in only 1 night kill rather than 2. Or at the very least, I get one last chance at saving a townie...

My reveal actually worked better than expected. It allowed hard evidence due to psychological hiccups by CBL, yourself and Lego... Townies and smart mafia would have immediately revoked their votes due to the fact I'll die at night... They can focus on lynching mafia now... Even if they think I'm lying, who cares!! Im dead at night!!!!!

Mafia pretending to be town will stick to their guns because they aren't really thinking town... They make errors like calling me a liar and asking others to continue voting for me.

My actions help the town. CBL's, Yours and Lego's do not.

Psychological errors.

[Hockeyguy15]

Sorry I haven't been around this weekend, it looks like I have some reading to do tomorrow. So CBL lead the charge on Baxter, and when that lost steam he is fine with flipping on me after ineedanother suggests it? CBL what happens next round after you vote me out and after I flip town you play the "awe shucks" card?

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

I think you're 100% right about HG15 as well. It looks like the writing is on the wall for me, though.

"Doctor" Baxter Renegade and flameswin are going to be getting their way before long. If you can swing votes to HG15, I am more than willing to switch my vote. Of course the mafia members will see this as "suspicious" behaviour though. I really drew their attention this round, and I knew they would come after me. I just sort of figured it would be during the night phase, but it makes more sense for them to do it this way. That way they can do their "aw, shucks" next round and apologize to everyone for being "wrong" about me.

I explained to flameswin twice, but I'll make it three times for the town's benefit: I switched my vote from flameswin to Baxter because if I voted to lynch mafia members from the same team twice in a row, I would immediately be accused of being from the other mafia group. If we get one from each round in successive votes, it makes it way easier to identify who is willing to kill mafia from both groups.

But I didn't see people getting drawn in by Baxter and flameswin's BS quite so easily. Oh, well.

Tell you what: get votes in favour of Hockeyguy15 and I will follow suit. If people want to vote for me, I'll even throw in the hammer vote, just to make flameswin and Baxter Renegade look like the lying bunch of liars who lie that they are.

No, no, no!!

I'll lose all faith in humanity if CBL gets off the hook here. Once he's flipped mafia, Lego and Kermit gotta go.

They've shown their colors. Day 5 all but proves they are mafia.

[Baxter Renegade]

Flameswin addresses this to Kermit twice:

Originally Posted by flameswin

So you think CBL is town and just not thinking this through properly?

Kermit doesnt answer... I dont think he knows how to answer this.

You know, It's very possible these three are all in the same faction... With one group still having 3 members, wouldnt that be great?