Bruins, Ducks, Penguins and Avalanche being eliminated in the first two rounds have netted the best case scenario for the Flames acquired picks
(again assuming the NHL doesn't award compensatory picks to any team)
Its a sixth round pick. Chances are that pick wouldn't have seen a single game in Flames silks. Or possibly even Adirondack silks.
Just a 6th round pick and not a lot of chance to play in the NHL? Hmmm.. tell that to Jonathan Ericsson(Detroit), Adam Burish(Chicago), Jaroslav Halak(Montreal), Matt Moulson(Pittsburgh), Mark Streit(Montreal), Pekka Rinne(Nashville), Dustin Byfuglien(Chicago) and others. Late rounds are a crap shoot and some of these players are late bloomers.
Just a 6th round pick and not a lot of chance to play in the NHL? Hmmm.. tell that to Jonathan Ericsson(Detroit), Adam Burish(Chicago), Jaroslav Halak(Montreal), Matt Moulson(Pittsburgh), Mark Streit(Montreal), Pekka Rinne(Nashville), Dustin Byfuglien(Chicago) and others. Late rounds are a crap shoot and some of these players are late bloomers.
I agree, but odds are MacDermind played more NHL games/Flames games then the player we would of drafted with that pick would have.
Just a 6th round pick and not a lot of chance to play in the NHL? Hmmm.. tell that to Jonathan Ericsson(Detroit), Adam Burish(Chicago), Jaroslav Halak(Montreal), Matt Moulson(Pittsburgh), Mark Streit(Montreal), Pekka Rinne(Nashville), Dustin Byfuglien(Chicago) and others. Late rounds are a crap shoot and some of these players are late bloomers.
Yes, we all know there are exceptions to the rules, but there is probably a better than 29 of 30 chance that your 6th rounder will never play 100 games in the NHL. Losing a 6th round pick is pretty much inconsequential to the rebuild.or team moving forward no matter what Halak or Moulson want to tell you.
Just a 6th round pick and not a lot of chance to play in the NHL? Hmmm.. tell that to Jonathan Ericsson(Detroit), Adam Burish(Chicago), Jaroslav Halak(Montreal), Matt Moulson(Pittsburgh), Mark Streit(Montreal), Pekka Rinne(Nashville), Dustin Byfuglien(Chicago) and others. Late rounds are a crap shoot and some of these players are late bloomers.
While I personally think it would've been better not to have traded the 6th round pick, your logic is kind of silly. It's like saying just because there have been a few lottery winners in the past we should all go a buy lottery tickets.
Trailer Fire didn't say there weren't any 6th round picks who became successful, but the chances are really slim. Listing a few players who are an exception to that doesn't support your point any further than what everyone already knows.
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If you want to get from the bottom of the standings to the top of the standings, you need to draft really well. To do that, it helps to have a lot of picks.
True, the odds of striking gold with a low pick are against you, but they are way more against you if you need to fill your prospect pool with undrafted players.
Just a 6th round pick and not a lot of chance to play in the NHL? Hmmm.. tell that to Jonathan Ericsson(Detroit), Adam Burish(Chicago), Jaroslav Halak(Montreal), Matt Moulson(Pittsburgh), Mark Streit(Montreal), Pekka Rinne(Nashville), Dustin Byfuglien(Chicago) and others. Late rounds are a crap shoot and some of these players are late bloomers.
The average age of an NHLer today is 28.66, which we will bump up to 29. That means the 02-03 draftees are the average. (Of note: Drew Miller, Marc Methot, Bruno Gervais, and Tyler Johnson (unsigned) are some notables from that draft) There have been 10, soon to be 11 drafts since then, which means there have been 300 players drafted in the 6th round. That's in the last 10 years alone. How many from he previous 10 were impact players? Not that many. Players drafted in the 6th round aren't likely to make an impact on the team they are drafted by. I'm not saying they won't, but how many times do players renter the draft because they can't, or won't, be signed? We are probably more likely to sign, or trade for, another teams 6th round draft pick.
All I'm saying is one late round draft pick isn't going to break our team. We aren't going to look back in 5 years or so (if our rebuild fails) and say "I really wish we didn't trade our 6th round draft pick in the 2014 draft for Lane MacDermid. That move really screwed us in the long run."
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If you want to get from the bottom of the standings to the top of the standings, you need to draft really well. To do that, it helps to have a lot of picks.
True, the odds of striking gold with a low pick are against you, but they are way more against you if you need to fill your prospect pool with undrafted players.
It's only one 6th round pick, it's not like we're flipping all the late round picks for undrafted players. I wouldn't call it "way more" against us, more like "almost to basically inconsequential".
If you want to get from the bottom of the standings to the top of the standings, you need to draft really well. To do that, it helps to have a lot of picks.
True, the odds of striking gold with a low pick are against you, but they are way more against you if you need to fill your prospect pool with undrafted players.
Actually, what you need is better players.
Yes, drafting is the primary way to get them, but not the only way.
They tried to acquire a guy that could fill a needed role on the team. It didn't work out, but they tried. Price: 6th round pick. Trying to find fault in that is ridiculous.
Now if they were doing it too often (trading away picks), that would be a problem - but they're not.
Both of the sixth round trades happened on the same day (or within a day or two). They were related transactions... Trying to replace Jackman with someone younger who could play on the farm.
All I'm saying is one late round draft pick isn't going to break our team. We aren't going to look back in 5 years or so (if our rebuild fails) and say "I really wish we didn't trade our 6th round draft pick in the 2014 draft for Lane MacDermid. That move really screwed us in the long run."
The problem is you took my comment out of the context. I did not once say losing that 6th rounder might break our team. I am just saying too bad we traded our 6th round pick for Lane McDermid, which from the time of the trade I didn't think we needed. The trade happened after we got rid of someone with similar or better trait in Jackman. I thought that McDermid doesn't make any sense at all. Anyways it's over and done with and Flames will move on.
Then i responded to someone about just a 6th round pick and he might not play in the NHL or just be buried in the AHL. I just mentioned that you cannot count those 6th rounder out since there are some late rounders who had success in the NHL before. I am not saying the 6th rounder that we lost might be a difference maker later on. Just saying you cannot count them out.
The problem is you took my comment out of the context. I did not once say losing that 6th rounder might break our team. I am just saying too bad we traded our 6th round pick for Lane McDermid, which from the time of the trade I didn't think we needed. The trade happened after we got rid of someone with similar or better trait in Jackman. I thought that McDermid doesn't make any sense at all. Anyways it's over and done with and Flames will move on.
Then i responded to someone about just a 6th round pick and he might not play in the NHL or just be buried in the AHL. I just mentioned that you cannot count those 6th rounder out since there are some late rounders who had success in the NHL before. I am not saying the 6th rounder that we lost might be a difference maker later on. Just saying you cannot count them out.
Ok, well that is a valid complaint.
I don't agree though - Jackman was on the decline and not effective anymore. McDermid had the potential to be a better player.
While I'm not a huge fan of Wideman, as it stands we have no one to replace him and are thin overall on defence. In other words trading Wideman without a back up plan looks like something Feaster would do.
The goalie I am hoping the Flames draft later on is Elvis Merzlikins.
He's a latvian playing in Switzerland. He's 6-3, fast and great at playing the puck, like Turco. He also was the 3rd best goalie in Switzerland behind Nolan Schaefer and Cristobal Huet (not by much) and they are both 14+ years older than him. His GAA was nearly a full goal less than Berra's was a year apart.
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