CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[jayswin]

Damnit I was hoping you guys would go with me first, I'm still 90% sure cbl is mafia and intentionally pulled his vote from me after realizing I was going to sacrifice myself. I honestly can't believe my strategy got one guy on board and now everyone's jumping on board with cbl with his suspicious posting. Might be a tsn turning point in this game.

Either way though, I had Baxter on my list too, so if that's the way you guys want to go I'll jump on with that lynch.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rathji

My concern on your line of thinking, since I am aware for sure that I am town, is something is wrong with your list of Parker mafia. I am guessing that they have a plan which they have used from the beginning to avoid detection by voting patterns, or you have deliberately kept it vague since you are one yourself.

Nailed it. In all likelyhood he's got one mafia group figured out but is part of the other. So Baxter will flip mafia and then everyone will ditch the idea of cbl being mafia tomorrow, as we seem to routinely forget that in a two mafia game, being right about a mafia member quite literally doesn't prove anything as to a persons Allegiance.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Nailed it. In all likelyhood he's got one mafia group figured out but is part of the other. So Baxter will flip mafia and then everyone will ditch the idea of cbl being mafia tomorrow, as we seem to routinely forget that in a two mafia game, being right about a mafia member quite literally doesn't prove anything as to a persons Allegiance.

That wont happen.

[Rathji]

Also, since CC isn't anywhere on the list, it means that you leaving out indications of the unvotes was intentional to draws suspicion away from CC and towards me.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Also, since CC isn't anywhere on the list, it means that you leaving out indications of the unvotes was intentional to draws suspicion away from CC and towards me.

Are you talking to me or CrazyBaconLegs? I have CC on my list.

[Baxter Renegade]

WTF? How many votes is that for me now?

I'm not mafia. C'mon guys... Lego is almost certainly mafia. Right now is an integral time and a proper decision is required during this lynch if we want a chance of winning.

[CaptainCrunch]

This game is really interesting, its going to be tough for me to be in it over the next couple of days with football and family.

IF the vote goes to Baxter and he flips village it means that the trail has gone cold.

I'm baffled that Lego is continually sliding through with his earlier behavior, and his near insane deal making attempt with his I won't vote if you keep me alive to the end, as well as hard protecting a now dead mobster in Starseed.

If you flip Lego and he turns mob, then you have to take a hard look at Rathji as well

Rathji and Starseed voted together on every vote, and the vote that took out Starseed they both voted against me. They're intertwined at every step in this thing.

Lego has shown every mob quality possible so far.

Rathji and Starseed were a voting block and supported each other.

[Baxter Renegade]

Looks like 6 votes for me right now? 3 more and I'm hammered, and this sleepy little town begins it's inevitable spiral towards being run by the scummy mobsters.

17 people remain: 12 Townies, 5 Mafia.

Lynching me results in 11 Townies and 5 Mafia with a sinister night to follow... One Mafia group has 3 members, the other has 2. The likelyhood of them randomly killing a townie is more than twice that of catching a rival mobster in cross fire. Bad odds. It's quite likely that if we lynch myself, and the Mafia wastes two more town guys, day 6 looks like this:

9 Town, 5 Mafia... This would be gross. This is why lynches are important and we need to be accurate picks today.

Lego needs to be lynched, followed by CBL, followed by Kermit.

C'mon guys! Unvote and lets kill some scum!

[undercoverbrother]

I will have limited time to be online this weekend, my son is in a lacrosse tournament all weekend.

Why was there no acceptance for Flameswin plan?

[kermitology]

Alright, lay out your case for me, CBL and Lego. You've contributed nothing and have gone after plenty of townies without any real proof.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I will have limited time to be online this weekend, my son is in a lacrosse tournament all weekend.

Why was there no acceptance for Flameswin plan?

I kind of knew there would be pushback on my plan. It's too perfect for townies, so the change in direction is likely mafia led.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Alright, lay out your case for me, CBL and Lego. You've contributed nothing and have gone after plenty of townies without any real proof.

I have contributed plenty. Feel free to review all 38 of my posts. Everyone has gone after townies with no "real proof" due to the fact that, uh, there IS NO REAL PROOF!

We only have speculation to go on here, which I have analyzed quite well, while utilizing tidbits of circumstantial evidence to attempt to lead us in the right direction.

[Completely]

Originally Posted by Rathji

My concern on your line of thinking, since I am aware for sure that I am town, is something is wrong with your list of Parker mafia. I am guessing that they have a plan which they have used from the beginning to avoid detection by voting patterns, or you have deliberately kept it vague since you are one yourself.

First of all thanks for the long post, it gives plenty of information however, you don't account for the idea that mafia aren't voting as a block. Now we have been lynching one after the other for awhile. While there is information that is helpful, however your post can be looked as a misdirect as well.

Correct me if i'm wrong here (i didn't watch the last game) but last game the mafia learned that voting as a group ended up hurting the themselves in the long run. Now that there has been a second game under the belts and everyone has a better idea of what will be used to solidify lynchings, mafia has probably found a way better way to hide themselves. You have to think two groups of four. All with the ability to group think should be able to create a plan in which they aren't really connected. But i might be over thinking things here.

Do we have some leads with Lego and Baxter, both of which are potential targets. Right now it looks like Baxter is the first to go, especially since he has been pointing fingers and not really helping out. (neither have i for that fact)

I think people are ready to die in this game, even mafia members. So saying that they would try and stick together might also connect themeslves to others in their mafia, people who they don't want to be connected too. Plenty of people have been willing to fall on their swords and i'm certain very few aren't willing to do the same thing. I also feel as its 22 against 8 sacrifices will be made. Since we have no idea who is town before the lynch, and then after the lynch just jump on the people who started the lynch rolling. Look what happened with timbo, you pressure someone enough, sometimes cracking them isn't the best thing to do.

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

I invite all of you: vote Baxter Renegade. When you see I have led the charge to lynch both Barrow and Parker mafia, you will all know I am town and we can win this game handily.

I'd like to just say, that when people state that they are a townie,(bolds above) it always bugs me. Only the dead and ineedanother are proven. I don't believe that saying things like that will convince anyone, i almost feel as if its trying to hard to blend in. Hard to actually take anyone's word for it when this games based on lying and manipulation.

I won't really be around too much this weekend, got a convention to attend.

[kermitology]

Again, lay out your case Baxter.

[jayswin]

Lets just lay out cbl's behaviour on this day.

-comes out swinging with oling, They both lay out cases for me AND vote for me immediately.

- I hatch plan to vote me out as it will likely expose mafia. Undercover brother joins in now there's 4 votes for me.

- cbl panicked and types out a novel sized post with accusations, and then votes Baxter. Others follow pretty quickly.

- in this novel post he still claims that I am really suspicious, points out that my plan is a nice touch to gain town trust.

- so he still thinks I'm mafia, so much so that I was his vote out of the gate, but once there was traction to me being lynched with the caveat that I was a voter and wanted to go out, h all of sudden panicky and doesn't want me out anymore.

Interesting

[jayswin]

Another message for townies reading this. Watch for the "mafia shifts". They're pretty obvious. Whether Baxter I town or mafia, that was a clear mafia shift. It doesn't mean that every poster who switched is mafia, but it's mafia led. Plain as day.

Always watch for when these shifts happen and what else I going on at the same time that they'd be trying to get away from.

[dissentowner]

Baxter is in full panic mode, I have seen that reaction before.
Vote: Baxter Renegade

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Completely

I'd like to just say, that when people state that they are a townie,(bolds above) it always bugs me. Only the dead and ineedanother are proven. I don't believe that saying things like that will convince anyone, i almost feel as if its trying to hard to blend in. Hard to actually take anyone's word for it when this games based on lying and manipulation.

I state I am town so that people understand the logic I am using in my posts when I die.

I am not trying to stop people from killing me, other than it means a mafia member isn't dying. I am not going to waste time defending myself, but work towards making sure that the most info is available when I am dead. I know that the majority of the players in this game realize I am town, so when people spout off about something, I don't want to waste effort defending myself.

For example, CC knows I have him dead in my sights, so today he is focusing on me. Why? Because if I get lynched, then no one else is convinced that he is mafia and he can attempt to fall back under the radar with his entirely pointless attacks against random people. He has been rallying against Lego all game but provided little more than "he's Mafia" as a reason. He isn't inactive and doesn't draw any attention to himself because he there is no meaningful contribution he has been making.

Not saying there isn't a case against Lego to be made, but CC isn't making it, he is just making noise for the sake of making it.

I am voting Baxter because the trend seems to be going that way and he is second on my list, and I am confident that his flip will tell us lots either way. I would rather vote for CC, though, so I imagine I will lay my case out again after the next block of kills.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Lets just lay out cbl's behaviour on this day.

-comes out swinging with oling, They both lay out cases for me AND vote for me immediately.

- I hatch plan to vote me out as it will likely expose mafia. Undercover brother joins in now there's 4 votes for me.

- cbl panicked and types out a novel sized post with accusations, and then votes Baxter. Others follow pretty quickly.

- in this novel post he still claims that I am really suspicious, points out that my plan is a nice touch to gain town trust.

- so he still thinks I'm mafia, so much so that I was his vote out of the gate, but once there was traction to me being lynched with the caveat that I was a voter and wanted to go out, h all of sudden panicky and doesn't want me out anymore.

Interesting

Could you do me a favor and link to the post where you suggested the killing you plan? I had a reason for thinking it was a bad idea but I can't remember where it is, and I can't seem to find the post on my phone.

[Baxter Renegade]

Well, only a couple more before hammer... I guess I better do this now:

I'm the doctor. By saying this, I'm doomed during night 5, but hopefully this allows us townies to revoke lynching me and gives us a chance to lynch a Mafia member.

Since CBL began the crusade against me, lets do him first yeah? Then Lego, then Kermit. There's plenty of dirt against all 3 and you should all look heavily into their behaviors.

You FOOLS!