Survivor Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty - Feb 26

[trackercowe]

Kinda sucks that they brought in this "special idol", and yet it probably won't even get used. What a waste, and it just goes to prove the "idol overkill" theory.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

As petty and spiteful as Kass has been portrayed, I still think she's playing a wonderful game of survivor, totally agree JD.

She made a big move, has influenced votes but stayed under the vote out radar even though she's relatively untrustworthy.

Depending on if she makes a big move, I could see voting for her in the final. If you compare her to some of the others that Tony could take to the final 3, she's probably the most likely to peel votes.

Couldn't disagree more. Her early move was absolutely pointless and needless and as Spencer pointed out immediately after pretty much guaranteed that she had zero chance of winning the game. The only reasoning I can think of for it was it was a simple case of pride and ego where a lawyer didn't like being dictated to by a cop.

Her game so far has been a needless, pointless blindside that alienated her from a significant portion of the jury coupled with being (willingly) dragged along for the rest of the game.

Add to that, that she is very unlikeable. Perfect candidate to take along to the final three.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Kinda sucks that they brought in this "special idol", and yet it probably won't even get used. What a waste, and it just goes to prove the "idol overkill" theory.

From what I can tell though, this isn't the first time they've had an idol with this power in the game. You can argue that it's idol overkill...or that the person playing it has played an outstanding enough game to not need it...

[JD]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Couldn't disagree more. Her early move was absolutely pointless and needless

You don't know that yet. She flipped in order to take the target off herself. It worked. Spencer and Tash have been scrambling forever to stay in it and Kass has been lying low. While the other two brains have won multiple challenges, Kass has had to do nothing but fall in line. Agreed that she comes off as petty and spiteful, and she's my least favourite player, but her game has gone exactly how she has planned it. We'll see how that ultimately plays out, but for now, she's in it and nobody's talking about voting her out.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by JD

You don't know that yet. She flipped in order to take the target off herself. It worked.

What target?

At the time of her flip there was no target on her. She was sitting pretty as part of a majority alliance going into that vote. It was absolutely pointless except to lose her jury votes. I honestly think one of the dumbest moves in a long time and still think that the only reason for it was that she didn't like copgirl, whatever her name, is having the power of the swing vote.

The only reason Spencer and Tass have been scrambling is because of her flip but that has served her no beneficial purpose whatsoever. In fact it could be strongly argued that her position in the game (and her favour with the jury) would be a lot stronger if she had stuck with her original alliance.

Big moves are great, sure. But big moves for the sake of it or based on personality clashes and ego are just plain silly.

[killer_carlson]

I listened to an interview with Tasha on the entertainment weekly website. I didn't know until recently that she was also an NFL cheerleader. She was certain that no matter who she made it to the end with, she could have beat them and was very good about describing her narrative.

Of the other interesting comments:

Morgan outright hated the rest of the beauties and apparently didn't let up. It came after they voted out Bryce early in the game. Morgan and Tasha were buds out there.

She has more respect for Trish's game after seeing it on tv than she did out there. Interesting comment.

Didn't think Tony played that strong of a game. She said that if you gave her a Trish and a Woo who so willingly played supporting roles, she could have done everything Tony did out there. Totally different game for Tony if Woo and Trish don't fall into line.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Morgan outright hated the rest of the beauties and apparently didn't let up. It came after they voted out Bryce early in the game. Morgan and Tasha were buds out there.

Not surprised. Morgan always struck me as the type who wants to get her way, and pouts when she doesn't.

Didn't think Tony played that strong of a game. She said that if you gave her a Trish and a Woo who so willingly played supporting roles, she could have done everything Tony did out there. Totally different game for Tony if Woo and Trish don't fall into line.

One could say that's one of the Brain-ier aspects of the game...finding people you can manipulate, and doing it before anyone else does...

[ernie]

Thinking back on the show....I had forgotten you can't use the idol to get to the final. In that case I understand not getting it put into play. Instead of someone you didn't want to go home going home you may as well wait until that last immunity challenge and hope to vote him off then. They all know Tony is controlling the game and they are viewed as passengers.

Simply put, Kass, Woo and Trish (hey I learned her name!) can't let Tony or Spencer make it to the final 3. And I say to myself that I'd be shocked if Kass, Woo and Trish don't become a solid alliance. And then the highlights from the next episode come back to mind and Trish and Kass are going at it. If one of them go home next week the money is going to Tony or Spencer. I don't think any of the other three have a chance of beating those two.

[GreenLantern]

Caught up after the last few weeks. This is a very tricky situation.. if Spencer wins another immunity he brings himself into the final 4, Tony is guaranteed to go there and can buy good favour with someone and build up his CV further by protecting somebody at tribal with his extra idol.

I could see the final four being Tony, Woo, Spencer and Trish with Kass going home, however if Spencer doesn't win he is the obvious choice.

A lot of different variables will come into play, but this is how it looks to me:

Final 3 = Tony, Woo, Trish/Kass Winner = Tony
Final 3 = Woo, Trish, Kass, Winner = Woo
Final 3 = Spencer, X, X, Winner = Spencer

In no scenario can I see Trish or Kass winning this, so those are the two you want to bring to the finals.

[Cheese]

Kass beats Woo easily in your second scenario...she has at least made an effort...Woo has been riding coattails the entire show.

[Flash Walken]

One thing Kass has as well is the ability to build and present an argument in her favour.

The jury votes I think are largely locked in prior to the question period they go through at the end, but for those who have swayable votes, Kass Vs. someone else could be a win for Kass.

I think a big move or a couple of personal immunities could make her a difficult competitor to beat, especially if there is hostility towards people like Tony from so many jury members.

[GreenLantern]

I think that Woo beats Kass based on the following, first of all, everybody at least likes Woo, most people love him. He has built a very strong social game.

Secondly, people really hate Kass, she has come off as bitter and spiteful and it can be argued that her move wasn't even that necessary and was more motivated out of spite than anything. Who will call her on that? Woo might not think of it, but you can sure as crap believe the female cop will. There is no way Kass can bite her tongue and it will bite her in the ass.

Lastly, for the final three to be Kass, Woo and Trish that means Woo would have to flip on Tony. So while he has to share that move with Kass and Trish, he can still own it as a big move.

So he is likeable, the people he is going up against are not well liked, and he has a giant game changing move under his belt. All the things needed to win imo..


Oh yea and on top of all of that Woo was a great competitor in almost every immunity challenge, how many did Kass finish last or second last in?

The only way Kass beats Woo is if as you said she builds up a very strong case and can sway the jury, Woo is out matched in that area. HOWEVER, I still can't see Kass remaining quiet when she gets bombarded by jury members. People she has said multiple times she feels she is above. To much ego, to much pride, to much spite.

But either way we are in for a very entertaining end to this season, definitely one of the best in a while.

[killer_carlson]

I think the season was less interesting viewing after Morgan got voted out.

There. I said it.

[D to the iddy]

I actually think Trish wins the second scenario easily. I think the jury is going to be bitter towards Kass. Then Trish and Woo have the same argument "We were Tony's partner in crime" but I think Trish will be more articulate and have better jury management than Woo.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think the season was less interesting viewing after Morgan got voted out.

There. I said it.

Tasha had the best set on the show.

[squiggs96]

No idea why Tony didn't give Trish his regular idol., and then play his super idol if he needed it. If that's who he wanted to go to the next round with, he could have guaranteed it. If he wanted her on the jury so she votes for him, then he took a risk by trying to vote out Kass. He gets totally offended when someone does something he doesn't like, even though he's doing the same things around the island. I hope Spencer wins, but I more hope that Tony loses.

[jroc]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

No idea why Tony didn't give Trish his regular idol., and then play his super idol if he needed it. If that's who he wanted to go to the next round with, he could have guaranteed it. If he wanted her on the jury so she votes for him, then he took a risk by trying to vote out Kass. He gets totally offended when someone does something he doesn't like, even though he's doing the same things around the island. I hope Spencer wins, but I more hope that Tony loses.

You must've not watched the final scene where they reveal the votes. Tony actually voted Trish out. I'm thinking that he's confident enough the his fake story about the special idol will work to get him to the final 3, and he wanted to secure a jury vote with Trish.

[GreenLantern]

Hrmm I missed that part as well, I wonder if Trish will be able to put it together? Might make her hold some ill will towards Tony at the final vote. I did think it was weird that Jeff didn't read all of them even though it was (in my mind) a 3-2 vote..

Kass burns another bridge and puts a cherry on top at the end with the finger. For someone who has preached maturity and intelligence this entire game, that sure was a bonehead move.

I did like how Trish called her on it though, she loves to stir the pot but when it comes back to her she just plays the victim. I hope Kass makes the final 3 just so I can watch her get ripped apart by the jury.

[ernie]

Tony is going for one more big lie to get him to the final three....that his special idol can be used to get him to that final three. If he doesn't manage to convince people of that or doesn't win immunity he may have made a big mistake.

Woo, Kass and Trish though made the bg mistake overall. They had to form a final three alliance for any of them to have a chance to win the game. So now tish is gone and the other two don't have a hope of beating Tony or Spencer.

If Spencer wins the final immunity he likely wins the game. He's played a strong and honest game (and somehow honesty matters in this game to people. No idea why).

If Tony takes the last immunity Woo and Kass individually have to look at bringing both Tony and Spencer to the final in the hopes that a good argument at final tribal splits the votes three ways (won't happen but neither of them has any choice against just one of those two).

The only contestant absolutely assured of a final three is Kass...everyone hates her so it would be stupid not to take her. Spencer and Tony are going to try to bring Woo as the third finalist. So it likely it is Woo, Kass and ?.

[Matty81]

I dunno you wonder if the water between tony and kass is so poisoned at this point that the next show mght a bickerfest between them with each trying to win over woo/spencer to vote for the other. I think spencer can beat anybody in a vote and and tony thinks he can beat anybody, kass's pointless flip earlier in the game was a knife in the back to spencer and so i am suspecting/hoping that she goes home before the final three.

I think her and woo have done just as much, her flip was emotion and not strategy and the only reason she's gotten screen time since is because she acts like a 10 year old.

At least when a young good looking broad is pulling that act you can understand why - everybody in their life treats them like a princess and they haven't got the maturity. An old crone like that has had plenty of time to grow up.