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Fighting Banana Slug · 05-14-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, just calling it the way I see it. I guess if your end goal is to make the playoffs and always fail then McLellan is one of the best. I always thought it was the Cup that really mattered.

You think they should hire Tortarella then? Crisp?

I don't see the coach as a major problem, certainly not one where an obvious upgrade exists. They've been really good for all of the time he has been there. They are most definitely a streaky team. If you think that is coaching, fine, but I think it comes down to the fact that the difference between success and failure in the playoffs is razor thin.

codynw · 05-14-2014, 04:24 PM

Meeting the LA Kings so early in the playoffs two years in a row definitely doesn't help them go on a deep run.

Coach · 05-14-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Exactly, he can't get his players to turn it up come playoff time. Who cares how good they have been in the regular season. People blame Thornton, blame Marleau, blame Boyle, blame the players but there is oodles of talent there and it up to the coach to get them to gear it up.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. But I don't think it's really up for debate that this was not the season to put McLellan on the plank. Two Cup contenders went out in the first round because they were playing other Cup contenders. The West was a beast this year.

Erick Estrada · 05-14-2014, 08:10 PM

Bruins had a great season and loss to a worse team than the Kings. I don't think Julien is all of a sudden a bad coach. It's a long season and as we have seen any playoff team can win a series if their goaltender is on fire. Sharks could probably look at an upgrading between the pipes and on the blue line but there's still a lot to like about the coach and roster.

Frank MetaMusil · 05-14-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bruins had a great season and loss to a worse team than the Kings. I don't think Julien is all of a sudden a bad coach. It's a long season and as we have seen any playoff team can win a series if their goaltender is on fire. Sharks could probably look at an upgrading between the pipes and on the blue line but there's still a lot to like about the coach and roster.

Julien has something in common with McLellan in losing after being up 3-0 in a playoff series.

dino7c · 05-14-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Julien has something in common with McLellan in losing after being up 3-0 in a playoff series.

He also has a stanley cup where McLellan does not

Frank MetaMusil · 05-14-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

He also has a stanley cup where McLellan does not

Sure, but the cup came after the Philly collapse.

Erick Estrada · 05-14-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Sure, but the cup came after the Philly collapse.

You can say the Flames Cup was due to a lucky game 7 bounce agains the Canucks or the Lightning being lucky thee was a game 6 goal review. Wouldn't change the fact that those teams won the cup. Most teams that win the cup needs a bounce or two to go their way.

Mr.Coffee · 05-14-2014, 08:31 PM

I really like when the team stands by the coach and GM. Tells the players who's in charge.

You can't have the inmates running the asylum, you have to have accountability by the players in order to actually coach them.

It's accountability why Hartley did such a great job with the Flames this year, and it's a roster of rookies so close to million dollar contracts that are willing to do whatever it takes that are willing to be accountable to a coach.

However, if you have a team with some stars and vets, why do they need to listen to the coach? Coaches get fired all the time, don't like the coach? Wait, he'll get fired. Screw that noise... change the players.

EVERLAST · 05-14-2014, 08:37 PM

Bring in Iginla he will be your messiah.
Just like in Pittsburgh and Boston.

Wow. Okay apolagists attack NOW!!!!!!!

Machiavelli · 05-14-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Bring in Iginla he will be your messiah.
Just like in Pittsburgh and Boston.

Wow. Okay apolagists attack NOW!!!!!!!

Pretty lame attempt to incite. Most trolls are more slick than that.

EVERLAST · 05-14-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Pretty lame attempt to incite. Most trolls are more slick than that.

Yep. Trolling is the game and Iginla is the name ....both epic fails.

the2bears · 05-14-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Bring in Iginla he will be your messiah.
Just like in Pittsburgh and Boston.

Wow. Okay apolagists attack NOW!!!!!!!

Apologize first for your spelling

Parallex · 05-14-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they need a roster shakeup

Teams that get 111 points don't need a roster shake-up. Although they're getting a bit long in the tooth and if they want sustainable success they ought to consider gradually moving out some of their older guys while they can still get value for them.

FanIn80 · 05-14-2014, 10:48 PM

I have 17 words for you:

No. Show. Joe.

(Ironically, the other 14 words I was going to use all disappeared when I needed them most too.)

PeteMoss · 05-14-2014, 11:01 PM

They've sort of become the Flyers of the West. They always get out goaltended in the playoffs. I don't see how moving a Joe Thornton makes them any better. You aren't going to replace the guy no matter how he 'chokes' playoffs - he still takes on all the tough matchups for them.

That said - they lose their best defenseman. No one likes excuses but Vlasic was probably the one guy they couldn't afford to lose.

kn · 05-14-2014, 11:09 PM

With Thornton and Marleau signing extensions with full NMC, it's going to be extremely difficult to move them for anything close to value. They will both be 35 starting next season.

San Jose is the most puzzling team in the NHL. I'm not sure what they can do.

iamca · 05-15-2014, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kn

With Thornton and Marleau signing extensions with full NMC, it's going to be extremely difficult to move them for anything close to value. They will both be 35 starting next season.

San Jose is the most puzzling team in the NHL. I'm not sure what they can do.

I would say improve the D as they need a bit more youth and depth on the back end. They have some good forwards to challenge for roster spots out of camp, but that D core has to get younger and deeper. Losing Pickles really exposed their biggest weakness.

dying4acup · 05-15-2014, 01:11 AM

Ryan Miller is a shark next season. Put it in the bank!

Tsawwassen · 05-15-2014, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Meeting the LA Kings so early in the playoffs two years in a row definitely doesn't help them go on a deep run.

Sharks-Kings have met 3 times in the past 4 years. Last year was in the 2nd round. This year and 2011 were in the 1st round and the Sharks made it to the 3rd round in 2011.