Big Issue Next Season

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

lol. Wouldn't it take you like an hour pressing the right button to move the salary offer from $800k to $14M?

Only about 20 minutes using the stick.

[pylon]

Is it possible for them to renegotiate Gio to his actual value? Or are both parties locked until the term is done? I would have no issues if Gio got 7-7.5 for a couple seasons. If Phaneuf is getting 7, logically, Gio should be getting about 35 mil/season anyway.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by pylon

Is it possible for them to renegotiate Gio to his actual value? Or are both parties locked until the term is done? I would have no issues if Gio got 7-7.5 for a couple seasons. If Phaneuf is getting 7, logically, Gio should be getting about 35 mil/season anyway.

Contracts cannot be renegotiated at any point.

[Vulcan]

Rather than see our salaries go out of whack with any long term contracts that could bite us later on just to make the cap floor, it could be preferable to pay the fine.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Rather than see our salaries go out of whack with any long term contracts that could bite us later on just to make the cap floor, it could be preferable to pay the fine.

I believe you become ineligible for revenue sharing if you don't reach the floor.

But reaching the floor will not be an issue.

[sureLoss]

The CBA clearly states no team is allowed to below the cap floor.

From section 50.5 (c) i:

Lower Limit. No Club shall, after commencement of the regular season,
be permitted to have an Averaged Club Salary that falls below the Lower
Limit for that League Year.

If a team doesn't reach the lower limit, it is considered cap circumvention as defined by Article 26.3:

No Club or Club Actor, directly or indirectly, may: (i) enter into any agreements, promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind, whether express, implied, oral or written, including without limitation, any SPC, Qualifying Offer, Offer Sheet or other transaction, or (ii) take or fail to take any action whatsoever, if either (i) or (ii) is intended to or has the effect of defeating or Circumventing the provisions of this Agreement or the intention of the parties as reflected by the provisions of this Agreement, including without limitation, provisions with respect to the financial and other reporting obligations of the Clubs and the League, Team Payroll Range, Player Compensation Cost Redistribution System, the Entry Level System and/or Free Agency.

(i) Any act by a Club Actor that, if committed by the Club would constitute a
Circumvention, shall be imputed to the Club and shall be deemed to be a
Circumvention by the Club.

The punishment the commissioner can give out for circumventing the cap is spelled out in 26.13 (c).

• Impose a fine of up to $5 million in the case of a Circumvention by a Club
  or Club Actor, but in no circumstances shall such fine be less than $1
  million against any Club or Club Actor if such party is found to have
  violated Article 50 of this Agreement. If such a fine is assessed against a
  Club (except in the case of a financial reporting violation), that Club's
  Payroll Room shall also be reduced by such amount for the following
  League Year, and if such reduction of the Club's Payroll Room renders the
  Club out of compliance with the Payroll Range (i.e., the Club does not
  have sufficient Payroll Room to accommodate its Player commitments
  comprising Club Salary) for such following League Year, then the Club
  must take such steps as are necessary (e.g., Assignment, Buy-Out,
  Waivers, etc.) and as are permitted by this Agreement to ensure that the
  Club will be in compliance with Article 50 of this Agreement upon
  commencement of the following League Year;
• Direct a Club to forfeit draft picks (the number, placement, and League
  Year of which shall be determined in the Commissioner's sole discretion);
• Declare a forfeiture of any NHL Game(s) determined to have been
  affected by a Circumvention;
• Suspend any Club employee, Player, or Certified Agent involved in such a
  violation for a period of time determined in the sole discretion of the
  Commissioner, the System Arbitrator, or the NHLPA, respectively

Since there is no precedent of a club failing to reach the cap floor, there is no way to be certain what the exact punishment of not reaching the floor would be in terms of $ fine (other than it would be $1 million to $5 million) and draft picks forfeited.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by getbak

Contracts cannot be renegotiated at any point.

Really? Is this a new change?

I remember Turek re-structured his contract with the Flames back in 04.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Really? Is this a new change?

I remember Turek re-structured his contract with the Flames back in 04.

No re-negotiating contracts since the 2005 CBA.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Really? Is this a new change?

I remember Turek re-structured his contract with the Flames back in 04.

It's new since then, but it's been the rule for almost a decade.

It was one of the new conditions in the 2005 CBA, and was continued into the current CBA.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Here is what I mean:

- No UFA's retained
- Only kept full time NHL RFA's (Bouma, Byron, Galiardi, Colborne)
- No rookies added like Baertschi, Granlund, Gaudreau, Reinhart, Wotherspoon





1. Need to add roughly $10 million to hit the floor
2. Only 3 full time roster spots open (plus a couple extra skaters)
3. Doubt we see O'Brien or Galiardi back next year, that would be another $3 million off the payroll, and they are merely depth players

How do you add a big money UFA's to hit the floor without taking roster spots from the half dozen or so prospects that we have knocking on the door?

I'm really curious to see how this off season unfolds for the Flames.

Exactly my point. Hopefully Treliving's good with math. Worst part will be that a young guy will probably not get on the roster because we'll need to fill a spot or two with soem washed up overpaid guy(s).

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by pylon

Is it possible for them to renegotiate Gio to his actual value? Or are both parties locked until the term is done? I would have no issues if Gio got 7-7.5 for a couple seasons. If Phaneuf is getting 7, logically, Gio should be getting about 35 mil/season anyway.

Other options for renegotiated contracts would be Brodie and Backlund. Tehy're both underpaid for thier roles on the team.

I'd rather go this route than overpaying some washed up free agent and stagnating the growth of some of our young players. It's time to get them on the ice. We spent a decade over paying underperforming old guys.

[Scoutski]

"It turns out we have too much money!"

They will just sign people to fill the numbers, it'll be fine. As much as we fans want it, they will be happy to keep younger players in the minors for now and when they are worth an NHL salary they get to be in the team and no cap problems

[LouCypher]

I think this is a great problem to have, especially with a new GM. He will be looking for a chance to make his mark and spend some of the cap space and I wouldn't be surprised if he already has some names in mind.

[Coach]

Man, Glencross is a freaking steal.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Glencross might have the best value non-ELC contract in the NHL.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Man, Glencross is a freaking steal.

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Glencross might have the best value non-ELC contract in the NHL.

When he signed his contract, I thought it was a damn fine deal.

This last season soured me on him though. The guy's just better than a 0.5 PPG guy who battles injuries and plays such a lazy, uninterested game. He loves making blind passes/drop passes resulting in turnovers way too often, then he's way too often the last guy back.

I haven't seen a Flame consistently make a slower line change while the opposition attacks since Rene Bourque. This of course, is just my opinion.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Glencross might have the best value non-ELC contract in the NHL.

I would say that goes to Max Pacioretty, quite handily

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Here is what I mean:

- No UFA's retained
- Only kept full time NHL RFA's (Bouma, Byron, Galiardi, Colborne)
- No rookies added like Baertschi, Granlund, Gaudreau, Reinhart, Wotherspoon





1. Need to add roughly $10 million to hit the floor
2. Only 3 full time roster spots open (plus a couple extra skaters)
3. Doubt we see O'Brien or Galiardi back next year, that would be another $3 million off the payroll, and they are merely depth players

How do you add a big money UFA's to hit the floor without taking roster spots from the half dozen or so prospects that we have knocking on the door?

I'm really curious to see how this off season unfolds for the Flames.

Bouma and Colbourne will likely get longer than one year deals for more money than you have there. Galiardi (if he's back) has to get a contract 10% higher than he has now.

There are also bonuses to consider which will bump up some players value beyond their contracts.


Also you've got a new GM... 0% chance you go into next year with the same team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I would say that goes to Max Pacioretty, quite handily

Disagree Tavares would take it for me

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Sign a good backup like Elliott for 2.5 million, sign one of the decent UFA D-men like Niskanen for 5 million. Give raises to a couple of our RFA's.

Cap floor hit.

UFA's still have to want to come to a team likely to be a lottery picker. Its not as simple as sign player x.