Craig's List 2014 Prospects

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It seems pretty simple to me... in one case you're angry with someone who's opinion is somewhat pessimistic and assert a wait and see approach is needed. In another case, you've posted negatively to the point of nausea (over and over and over) about another prospect, when the same wait and see approach should be applied there. It's hypocritical.

You still can't read, can you.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The main reason why my scouting report of Nick Ritchie varies so much from the "consensus" is because I am looking at different things than what most scouts look at. They look at his size and ability to crash the net to generate offense as a good thing. It really is not, because he's not that big (6-3 is good, but it's not like he's 6-5), and because he's not exceptionally tall, he would need speed to be able to beat defenders. Problem is that he's not that fast. He is exploiting the fact he's going up against teenagers instead of men. If you look at his raw shooting and passing ability, he's going to have a hard time translating as a top 6 forward. A lot of scouts thought Hugh Jessiman (Huge Specimen according to Pierre Mcguire) was going to be awesome back in 03, same thing with Benoit Pouliot in 05. If they don't have the high level talent to back it up, they are not going to succeed no matter how big they are.

I also do not read about what other opinions on a player are, because I do not like to have confirmation biases about them. It wouldn't really be my opinion if I go into a situation with a list of "expectations". And additionally with that, it's just my opinion, which I could be wrong.

I never read any scouting reports on Richie either before seeing his highlight video but I saw things a lot different then you and I feel I'm being impartial as well as you don't see me following the party line unless that's how I feel. I apologize for getting a little personal with you, you're probably a great guy but lay off making your declarative statements and your opinion will be easier to swallow.

When I make declarative statements, like I think he's trending to be a 2nd line winger/3rd line C, that's because I'm taking an impartial view on players and comparing him to dozens of players that had similar talent at a similar age and where they ended up.

It's not like your assessments have the only book on impartiality.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You still can't read, can you.

I certainly can, and have little interest in your semantics. The root of your problem with Jankowski is that you have a pessimistic view of what he'll amount to and that's why you feel that pick was a bad gamble. I can't count the number of people who've responded to you with the exact same logic you're laying out here, yet you've continued with that schtick over and over and over.

Someone here suggests Granlund's ceiling is a 3rd liner and you are dismayed that anyone would assert that when we have no idea at present and suggest we need to wait and see. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I certainly can, and have little interest in your semantics. The root of your problem with Jankowski is that you have a pessimistic view of what he'll amount to and that's why you feel that pick was a bad gamble. I can't count the number of people who've responded to you with the exact same logic you're laying out here, yet you've continued with that schtick over and over and over.

Someone here suggests Granlund's ceiling is a 3rd liner and you are dismayed that anyone would assert that when we have no idea at present and suggest we need to wait and see. It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

I've never put a ceiling on Jankowski, I hope he's another Joe N. Jankowski's progress is about where it's expected. The problem is that Feaster and Weisbrod should know what his expected progress would be and should have reconsidered choosing him there. My beef is with the people that chose him, not with the player. Now that he's been chosen, I hope he tears up the college circuit.

and the someone didn't suggest Granlund's ceiling, he declared it. Quite the difference.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I've never put a ceiling on Jankowski, I hope he's another Joe N. Jankowski's progress is about where it's expected. The problem is that Feaster and Weisbrod should know what his expected progress would be and should have reconsidered choosing him there. My beef is with the people that chose him, not with the player. Now that he's been chosen, I hope he tears up the college circuit.

and the someone didn't suggest Granlund's ceiling, he declared it. Quite the difference.

What are you talking about? They did know what his progress would be, that's why they stated he would be a long term project the day they drafted him. Caged Great made a prediction on Granlunds future potential, that's it. Considering your over the top reaction to Jankowski your the last guy that should be criticizing him for it.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by ignite09

What are you talking about? They did know what his progress would be, that's why they stated he would be a long term project the day they drafted him. Caged Great made a prediction on Granlunds future potential, that's it. Considering your over the top reaction to Jankowski your the last guy that should be criticizing him for it.

Yeah, if they knew what his progress would be, do you think that was a sound decision?

I never had an over the top reaction to the Jankowski pick. I didn't and don't like it much but considering I was attacked personally over my opinion, swore at and misrepresented, so I defended it. So screw you if you if you don't like my opinion. I'm not the one who brought the Jankowski topic up today, so there seems to be some butt hurt people out there who can't let sleeping dogs lie. And the reason you're butt hurt is because you know what I'm saying is the truth.

Because I don't like the Jankowski pick that means I can't have an opinion on Granlund, ridiculous.

[The Fonz]

And another thread falls victim to Jankowski's Law

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, if they knew what his progress would be, do you think that was a sound decision?

I never had an over the top reaction to the Jankowski pick. I didn't and don't like it much but considering I was attacked personally over my opinion, swore at and misrepresented, so I defended it. So screw you if you if you don't like my opinion. I'm not the one who brought the Jankowski topic up today, so there seems to be some butt hurt people out there who can't let sleeping dogs lie. And the reason you're butt hurt is because you know what I'm saying is the truth.

Because I don't like the Jankowski pick that means I can't have an opinion on Granlund, ridiculous.

We have no idea if the Jankowski pick was a sound decision, we still have to wait and see. Get the irony of that statement? And you can have whatever opinion of Granlund you want, just don't go flipping out on another poster when he is taking a cautious "wait and see" approach. Something you've advised CP posters to do when it concerns other prospects.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

and the someone didn't suggest Granlund's ceiling, he declared it. Quite the difference.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

And the reason you're butt hurt is because you know what I'm saying is the truth.

[dammage79]

So anyways, say Edmonton does in fact trade #3 for Phaneuf, that leaves EDIT: Toronto picking third and really leaving Draisaitl to the Flames. Ontario team will take Bennett for sure.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by ignite09

We have no idea if the Jankowski pick was a sound decision, we still have to wait and see. Get the irony of that statement? And you can have whatever opinion of Granlund you want, just don't go flipping out on another poster when he is taking a cautious "wait and see" approach. Something you've advised CP posters to do when it concerns other prospects.

He never took a cautious approach, he declared Granlund not good enough for the top two lines.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So anyways, say Edmonton does in fact trade #3 for Phaneuf, that leaves Ottawa picking third and really leaving Draisaitl to the Flames. Ontario team will take Bennett for sure.

Did I miss when Toronto traded Phaneuf to Ottawa?

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[nik-]

He obviously mistyped one of the terms, but you got him! Keep up the good fight.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I also disagree with capping Granlund as a 3rd line center. His ceiling to me is a poor #1, decent #2 center. Will he get there? I think he will be a successful player in the NHL, and it will be interesting to see if he gets the chance here to do so.

As for the Flames not seeing success in the future with Granlund as a 2nd line center - well, I am sure Granlund isn't a finished product yet. To say the Flames will be unsuccessful with him at that position, implies you don't think he will become a very good 2nd line center. He may very well become a fantastic 2nd line or even a decent 1A/1B center. He is young and still developing.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The only hypocrites around here are the ones who think I can't express my opinion on one of our prospects, either good or bad.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I also disagree with capping Granlund as a 3rd line center. His ceiling to me is a poor #1, decent #2 center. Will he get there? I think he will be a successful player in the NHL, and it will be interesting to see if he gets the chance here to do so.

As for the Flames not seeing success in the future with Granlund as a 2nd line center - well, I am sure Granlund isn't a finished product yet. To say the Flames will be unsuccessful with him at that position, implies you don't think he will become a very good 2nd line center. He may very well become a fantastic 2nd line or even a decent 1A/1B center. He is young and still developing.

The whole argument started with whether we should be satisfied with the current group of center prospects going forward, and the answer is no. Sure Grandlund could be a #1, or Jankowski could be the next Nieuwendyk, or Backlund could progress and become a high end #2 but we shouldn't count on it. Until one of these guys shows otherwise, another top six center is still a position of need for this organization.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The only hypocrites around here are the ones who think I can't express my opinion on one of our prospects, either good or bad.

Says the guy pissing all over another poster for doing the same thing. Quit playing the victim, it doesn't suit you.

[Tinordi]

Not to pile on but not only comparing Granlund to Ladd but saying that he's better... wow

Hit the showers kid

[Bingo]

THN Preview slots Bennett #1

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/sa...-preview-2014/

[sun]

Originally Posted by Bingo

THN Preview slots Bennett #1

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/sa...-preview-2014/

When was the last time there was so must jostling for the #1 spot amongst the top 3-4? I feel like there was a bit of debate in 07 between Kane, Turris, and JVR, but not quite like this.