Amazingly, this "scandal" has generated twice as many posts in half as many days as the thread discussing the Prime Minister's appalling behavior towards the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada.
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Amazingly, this "scandal" has generated twice as many posts in half as many days as the thread discussing the Prime Minister's appalling behavior towards the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada.
Conservatives just foam at the mouth waiting for the first chance to talk about how young and handsome Trudeau is.
Conservative supporters, lets hear it, what are your substantive reasons for not voting for Trudeau. Which policies/positions do you disagree with? Why do you think Conservative policies would be better for you as a citizen.
Refrain from saying anything about JT's hair, looks, age, accomplishments.
You'll also be deducted 2 points for using the term "tax and spend"
Amazingly, this "scandal" has generated twice as many posts in half as many days as the thread discussing the Prime Minister's appalling behavior towards the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada.
That's because most people don't give a crap about a bunch of very elite and wealthy people fighting over who is eligible to sit on the SC and get paid very well for doing so.. not to mention the prestige for doing so.
The SC Chief Justice gets paid $387,000 per year while your lowly SC Judge gets $358,000 per year.
For some reason it just doesn't inspire a lot of outrage in the average Canadian who probably makes $50,000 per year.
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That's because most people don't give a crap about a bunch of very elite and wealthy people fighting over who is eligible to sit on the SC and get paid very well for doing so.. not to mention the prestige for doing so.
The SC Chief Justice gets paid $387,000 per year while your lowly SC Judge gets $358,000 per year.
For some reason it just doesn't inspire a lot of outrage in the average Canadian who probably makes $50,000 per year.
If, as you suggest, the average Canadian, after reading about Harper's personal attack on the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, probably the most powerful and most respected institution in Canada, one that has without question had a profound impact on the day to day life of every single Canadian, will come away from that discourse with a nonsensical observation about salaries, then this country is truly lost. I refuse to believe that this is the case, however.
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If people don't care about the institution that enforces the Charter and its relationship to the government and the wider public then why would people care about abortion and Justin Trudeau's stance on it?
Conservative supporters, lets hear it, what are your substantive reasons for not voting for Trudeau. Which policies/positions do you disagree with? Why do you think Conservative policies would be better for you as a citizen.
Refrain from saying anything about JT's hair, looks, age, accomplishments.
He leads the Liberal party is the top reason in my books.
Honestly, I hadn't seriously considered one way or the other though. I actively dislike the guy I voted in last time though, so I am open to changing my vote. I will wait and see what happens during the election.
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Amazingly, this "scandal" has generated twice as many posts in half as many days as the thread discussing the Prime Minister's appalling behavior towards the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada.
Probably because a bunch of Liberal patriots rushed into this thread to defend him at all costs?
And to answer Tinordi's question - I will not, and never will, consider the Liberals as a viable option until the party demonstrates a commitment to the support and betterment of Alberta. The party's history in this regard has traditionally alternated between overt hostility, complete indifference and empty platitudes. In a more general sense, realizing that Canada has more than two provinces, and choosing a leader from one of the other eight for once would help.
Try to keep a straight face, the reporters couldn't.
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It's always a great way to tell how intellectual someone's critique is by how quickly they go to the "attractive/doesn't 'deserve' it" line. It's basically a calling card for people who have read a couple articles in the Sun, maybe.
Policies? What policies, his legalizing grass, after a complete 180 flip flop from his earlier stance because it would make him cool?
His complete misunderstanding of anything economically related. His piss poor attendance record in the house of commons (2 days a week at best), and when he's there he flitters between terribly unprepared and outright lousy to the point that during the Senate Scandal the Liberal's appointed Ralph Goodall to ask all the questions.
He's accomplished nothing in his time in government.
I can't comment on his positions on anything substantive because he's got nothing substantive. And what he has isn't a position, its more of a guess
His stance on this province(Alberta) and his disparaging remarks about any from this province basically having a say in the government eliminates him in my book.
His massive flip on his whole we're a democratic party and we'll have open nominations to what we have now.
The Liberal's put him into the party lead position because he's like your average hollywood blond actress stereotype. Good looking but oh so stupid.
The abortion thing is a non starter for me because I'm onboard with the governments position on abortion, the discussion is decided and closed.
He's Obama light to the point where he brings up Obama advisers and we've seen how that worked out in the states.
He's a hail mary pass by the Liberal's of style and dimples over any kind of substance,
I'm more then interesting to see what happens to Justin during an election campaign when he can't have his aides constantly correcting him and shielding him during a debate and he realizes that an election campaign is hard work.
His quips on the Ukraine, his empty headed response to the Terrorist Bombing in Boston, his inability to define middle class.
The guys an empty head, I'd prefer someone more substantive.
It's like I said a long time ago, if Marc Garneau had won the Liberal leadership it might have been harder to vote for the Conservatives in the next election because I could trust him, and because he has a track record of leadership.
And to answer Tinordi's question - I will not, and never will, consider the Liberals as a viable option until the party demonstrates a commitment to the support and betterment of Alberta. The party's history in this regard has traditionally alternated between overt hostility, complete indifference and empty platitudes. In a more general sense, realizing that Canada has more than two provinces, and choosing a leader from one of the other eight for once would help.
Amazingly, this "scandal" has generated twice as many posts in half as many days as the thread discussing the Prime Minister's appalling behavior towards the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada.
I read through the other thread and it makes perfect sense that this thread has far more posts.
This thread has a group that is supporting Trudeau and likes what he does and another group that dislikes Trudeau and what he has done. Having two opposing viewpoints in a thread is a surefire way to generate responses.
In the other thread there is a bunch of people saying that what Harper did was wrong and no one saying that he was right. The information has been posted and it has been stated that everyone posting agrees with the original poster or has no opinion. Why would that thread get legs, there doesn't appear to be anything left to say.
I don't know how many of the Liberal supporters in this thread are actually huge Trudeau supporters. I think we (and I use that term loosely for myself) actually largely get our kicks out of the fits he sends Conservatives in just by existing.
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his empty headed response to the Terrorist Bombing in Boston
While I've never been a fan of Trudeau for a variety of reasons, it's not like the Conservative Party were intellectual paragons in their response to the Boston bombing.
Being a federalist and respecting the province I call home don't have to be mutually exclusive. I certainly rarely felt like the Chretien or Martin were terribly interested in what happened beyond the Ontario and Quebec borders. That is a legacy Trudeau or his successor(s) will have to address before I consider their party.
Being a federalist and respecting the province I call home don't have to be mutually exclusive. I certainly rarely felt like the Chretien or Martin were terribly interested in what happened beyond the Ontario and Quebec borders. That is a legacy Trudeau or his successor(s) will have to address before I consider their party.
Except it does seem to be mutually exclusive for a lot of Albertans. Having lived in two different provinces and spent considerable time in a third, the level of province-first politics in Alberta is really only rivaled by Quebec, which I find more than amusing due to how much vitriol Albertans reserve for Quebec.
EDIT: I'd also add that Martin and Chretien showed interest in the Atlantic provinces and BC during their terms, so I don't think that argument really holds a tonne of water.
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Being a federalist and respecting the province I call home don't have to be mutually exclusive. I certainly rarely felt like the Chretien or Martin were terribly interested in what happened beyond the Ontario and Quebec borders. That is a legacy Trudeau or his successor(s) will have to address before I consider their party.
What specific actions and/or policies could possibly make you consider the Liberals? When Trudeau announced he was running for the party leadership, his first speech was in his home riding (as is customary), but his second speech was in Calgary. He's spoken to Alberta's business leaders at the Petroleum Club, and he supports increasing oilsands development and pipeline construction (including Keystone XL). While there are many legitimate reasons to criticize him (I certainly have a few of my own), "he doesn't care about Alberta and our interests" isn't one of them.
I read through the other thread and it makes perfect sense that this thread has far more posts.
This thread has a group that is supporting Trudeau and likes what he does and another group that dislikes Trudeau and what he has done. Having two opposing viewpoints in a thread is a surefire way to generate responses.
In the other thread there is a bunch of people saying that what Harper did was wrong and no one saying that he was right. The information has been posted and it has been stated that everyone posting agrees with the original poster or has no opinion. Why would that thread get legs, there doesn't appear to be anything left to say.
That's a fair point. In hindsight, my argument was that there were more critical posts (and more critical posters) in this thread than in the Harper thread. However, choosing to use total jumber of posts as the measure of that was pretty clumsy.
Thanks a lot for ruining my pithy little post, jerk. ;-)
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it just doesn't inspire a lot of outrage in the average Canadian who probably makes $50,000 per year.
