Reviews for Teachers?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by peter12

Socio-economic assessment planner for a pipeline company. My employer makes that decision, thanks.

Do you act as pretentious and contrary at work as you do on this site?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Do you act as pretentious and contrary at work as you do on this site?

Well, I don't talk to people like you at work.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I think most professions are moving towards some sort of competency audits. I have my work audited every few years. It is a bit of an inconvenience but not terrible and we usually get decent feedback and suggestions at the end of it. The results of the audit dictate whether or not you get a follow up in depth audit or go to the back of the list for the next round of audits.

We also have mandatory continuing professional development, as do most professions.

I am not sure that Teachers are considered professionals though. (in the legal sense)

Would that not be what all the PD days (every third Friday) are for?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well, I don't talk to people like you at work.

People like me meaning what exactly?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Reaper

People like me meaning what exactly?

With a huge chip on their shoulder.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Would that not be what all the PD days (every third Friday) are for?

They have PD days, but I have no idea if teachers are required to attend or log so many hours a year to maintain their status.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by peter12

With a huge chip on their shoulder.

I see you've confused someone willing to call you out on your bull#### and airs of superiority as someone who has a chip on their shoulder.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I see you've confused someone willing to call you out on your bull#### and airs of superiority as someone who has a chip on their shoulder.

Exactly. You are very important.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by peter12

Exactly. You are very important.

Man, you are such an insufferable french shower bag.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Russic

On the surface it seems like a good idea, but I don't see how it would actually work. Teachers have their time taxed already to the point where it can easily impact their ability to actually teach in a negative way. There are already other review processes that are well-intended, but useless. How this would end up as anything but another level of interference is a big question mark. I notice the report also calls for "increased time for teacher planning and collaboration". I wonder what aspect of their job gets eliminated to create this time?

I want to agree with you, but having kids in elementary school is making me jaded perhaps. School runs from 8:25 to 3:15. So that's 6:40 a day. I realise there is a some prep involved, but lets be honest here. None of these teachers has to re-learn much that they're teaching, and the marking is incredibly basic. I say that in direct contrast to say a high school teacher where the marking is both complex and time-consuming, and they have to teach topics that are much more complex than say basic reading or math.

I also recognize that this is a bit of a tangent, but why are we only having instruction for that 6 hours a day and 3 1/2 on Fridays? To me that is a ridiculously short workday. It's really no wonder that teachers were always complaining how far behind the curriculum we were in school.

[ae118]

Wow, the BS in this thread.

From my perspective teachers should be treated like any other accredited professional. That said, the main issue for me is attracting and retaining good teachers, not focusing on weeding out bad teachers.

Frankly, I have no idea how most of them teach successfully at all these days given the increase in disciplinary issues, large class sizes, and integrated classrooms that include kids with a wide variety of needs.


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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Slava

I want to agree with you, but having kids in elementary school is making me jaded perhaps. School runs from 8:25 to 3:15. So that's 6:40 a day. I realise there is a some prep involved, but lets be honest here. None of these teachers has to re-learn much that they're teaching, and the marking is incredibly basic. I say that in direct contrast to say a high school teacher where the marking is both complex and time-consuming, and they have to teach topics that are much more complex than say basic reading or math.

I also recognize that this is a bit of a tangent, but why are we only having instruction for that 6 hours a day and 3 1/2 on Fridays? To me that is a ridiculously short workday. It's really no wonder that teachers were always complaining how far behind the curriculum we were in school.

All this commentary from people who aren't teachers.

Spend a week in a school.

However, it is heartening to see that peter12 is in favour of increasing the education budget in the province. I was surprised to see that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

All this commentary from people who aren't teachers.

Spend a week in a school.

However, it is heartening to see that peter12 is in favour of increasing the education budget in the province. I was surprised to see that.

Charter schools are the way to go.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Slava

I want to agree with you, but having kids in elementary school is making me jaded perhaps. School runs from 8:25 to 3:15. So that's 6:40 a day. I realise there is a some prep involved, but lets be honest here. None of these teachers has to re-learn much that they're teaching, and the marking is incredibly basic. I say that in direct contrast to say a high school teacher where the marking is both complex and time-consuming, and they have to teach topics that are much more complex than say basic reading or math.

I also recognize that this is a bit of a tangent, but why are we only having instruction for that 6 hours a day and 3 1/2 on Fridays? To me that is a ridiculously short workday. It's really no wonder that teachers were always complaining how far behind the curriculum we were in school.

The day at my kids' school goes from 8:05 - 2:36. By 3:00 all the teachers' cars are gone (with the exception of the principal and VP...they are often there until after 4:30). They really do work 3/4 of a day and and 2/3 of a year, yet get paid full-time salaries and have an incredible benefits package.

I hope I can convince my kids to become teachers. I wish somebody had guided me in that direction when I was going into university.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by peter12

Charter schools are the way to go.

You'd really leave it up to the idiots of society to determine what they learn?

Aren't you an ivory tower, leather patches guy?

Why would someone with such contempt for the uneducated leave whole swaths of society to nincompoop teaching standards?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Slava

I also recognize that this is a bit of a tangent, but why are we only having instruction for that 6 hours a day and 3 1/2 on Fridays? To me that is a ridiculously short workday. It's really no wonder that teachers were always complaining how far behind the curriculum we were in school.

This might work for high school kids, 8-5pm, but try that with elementary kids.........

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by Slava

I want to agree with you, but having kids in elementary school is making me jaded perhaps. School runs from 8:25 to 3:15. So that's 6:40 a day. I realise there is a some prep involved, but lets be honest here. None of these teachers has to re-learn much that they're teaching, and the marking is incredibly basic. I say that in direct contrast to say a high school teacher where the marking is both complex and time-consuming, and they have to teach topics that are much more complex than say basic reading or math.

I also recognize that this is a bit of a tangent, but why are we only having instruction for that 6 hours a day and 3 1/2 on Fridays? To me that is a ridiculously short workday. It's really no wonder that teachers were always complaining how far behind the curriculum we were in school.

I don't know if my wife is in the majority or minority but before going on mat-leave she was working 70 hour weeks as a grade 1/2 teacher. The amount of time she spends/spent researching and planning lessons that would be interesting and engaging for her grade 1/2 was crazy, not to mention the hundreds of dollars that she spends monthly at the dollar store making up for funding shortcomings - i kid you not, its a budgetary item in our household.

Counting only instructional time as working time probably isn't fair for most teachers, although I'm sure some work bell-to-bell. To me, that would be like saying that only your client facing time (meetings) was work. I'm sure there is a lot more that goes into your job then just what your client sees.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Sliver

The day at my kids' school goes from 8:05 - 2:36. By 3:00 all the teachers' cars are gone (with the exception of the principal and VP...they are often there until after 4:30). They really do work 3/4 of a day and and 2/3 of a year, yet get paid full-time salaries and have an incredible benefits package.

I hope I can convince my kids to become teachers. I wish somebody had guided me in that direction when I was going into university.

According to peter12, there isn't much stopping you from doing it now.

Hop on the free ride gravy train, my man!

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

All this commentary from people who aren't teachers.

Spend a week in a school.

However, it is heartening to see that peter12 is in favour of increasing the education budget in the province. I was surprised to see that.

We wall spent 12 years (minimum) in school...I think everyone has a pretty good idea what school is all about.

Plus, you don't hear teachers complaining very often during their 100 days off while the rest of us toil away.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You'd really leave it up to the idiots of society to determine what they learn?

Aren't you an ivory tower, leather patches guy?

Why would someone with such contempt for the uneducated leave whole swaths of society to nincompoop teaching standards?

This seems to assume that bureaucrats aren't idiots infused with the fatal conceit of knowledge. Even worse.