CBC/Rogers NHL Deal: "CBCmegedon"

[troutman]

more culturally significant Montreal Canadiens

Qu'est-ce que c'est ?

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by RedCoffee

The BBC just spent the last 2 weeks showing a bajillion hours of snooker, not sure we would want that.

Chances are they would replace snooker with curling in Canada. Snooker is a hell of a sport to have a nap to. There must have been thousands of well rested people. At least with BBC there is BBC one, BBC two, BBC Three, BBC Four

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by RedCoffee

The BBC just spent the last 2 weeks showing a bajillion hours of snooker, not sure we would want that.

They probably say the same about hockey.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Yes I would. Canada pays $33 per capita while the UK pays $97 per capita. For the quality difference between the CBC and the BBC it is worth it IMO. Right now the $33 is basicly wasted whereas there are a s^#% ton of great shows on the BBC to watch (although I do stream with vpn, bbc iplayer is sweeeet).

It would be nice to have some Canadian shows that are not absolute crap or boring as hell.

EDIT: Norway pays the most at $180.

Having Canadians pay $97 per capita like the the UK will not turn the CBC into the BBC. Not even close. Most likely, we would just be wasting $64 more per person.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Yes I would. Canada pays $33 per capita while the UK pays $97 per capita. For the quality difference between the CBC and the BBC it is worth it IMO. Right now the $33 is basicly wasted whereas there are a s^#% ton of great shows on the BBC to watch (although I do stream with vpn, bbc iplayer is sweeeet).

It would be nice to have some Canadian shows that are not absolute crap or boring as hell.

EDIT: Norway pays the most at $180.

I want my $33 back. I can spend it on much better things than Canadian television that somebody else decides I should be watching.

The UK is a completely different market with double the population of Canada in an area HALF the size of Alberta. They can focus their programming and production much better than the CBC would ever be able to.

[Funkhouser]

As a concept I like the idea of a public broadcaster, in execution CBC blows. The only reasons I ever watch is for the news or HNIC. The last program I had interest in on their station outside of that was Kids in the Hall.

We don't need to look accross the pond for a good example of public TV; CBC's French Station, Radio Canada, does fantastic programming which is unique and really attracts all demographics. CBC should look to ses amis accross the hall on how to produce relevant programming at a reasonable (assuming their budgets are similar) cost.

[Northendzone]

I think that Rogers needs the cbc's sports expertise to be able to pull off broadcasting all of these games.......

[Pliddy]

I know I should care, but I really don't. As long as the Hockey games I want to watch are being covered with an acceptable production value (Sportsnet being the absolute minimum of acceptable) then I don't care what channel they are on. I assume the Better talent will all find places on other channels and I never watch anything but Hockey on CBC, it's loss would have zero impact on my life

[Boreal]

The reality is that increasingly less people are watching tv and the entire industry is changing more than ever. This was Rogers attempt to grab ahold of advertising most valuable property... Live Sports. The CBC is great, however like all things, has flaws. It's a vital and useful tool to promote Canadian culture and intelligence Coast to Coast to Coast without a dumbed down sensationalized oversimplified profit driven motive.

[d_phaneuf]

I'd pay the difference from 33 to 97 if they just gave us all the BBC proper channels here instead of CBC and BBC America

[badradio]

What I don't understand is how HNIC runs at a financial loss... This should be able to fund itself and bring in profit. Someone was/is asleep at the wheel...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by badradio

What I don't understand is how HNIC runs at a financial loss... This should be able to fund itself and bring in profit. Someone was/is asleep at the wheel...

Lawyers probably cost a lot when dealing with Coaches Corner rants and issues.

[bettman]

CBC was not prepared to pay anywhere near what the NHL wanted in rights fees. In fact, TSN's initial offer to the NHL was also deemed too low to begin with. When Rogers was alerted to those facts, the put in the enormous bid of 5.2 Billion. The stipulation was given to the NHL to accept immediately without bartering with TSN. The NHL in turn did not want to lose HNIC and it's identity. As such Rogers was urged to barter an arrangement to keep HNIC in some form. With CBC having no resources and looking to get out of Professional Sport, they begrudgingly accepted at the urging of Bettman and the NHL. That is why they are in the situation they are in. TSN in essence lost the rights. Rogers turned good fortune into success working with the NHL. CBC and HNIC had little alternative.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by bettman

CBC was not prepared to pay anywhere near what the NHL wanted in rights fees. In fact, TSN's initial offer to the NHL was also deemed too low to begin with. When Rogers was alerted to those facts, the put in the enormous bid of 5.2 Billion. The stipulation was given to the NHL to accept immediately without bartering with TSN. The NHL in turn did not want to lose HNIC and it's identity. As such Rogers was urged to barter an arrangement to keep HNIC in some form. With CBC having no resources and looking to get out of Professional Sport, they begrudgingly accepted at the urging of Bettman and the NHL. That is why they are in the situation they are in. TSN in essence lost the rights. Rogers turned good fortune into success working with the NHL. CBC and HNIC had little alternative.

They are spending a ton of money. Too early to call it a success for Rogers.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Yes I would. Canada pays $33 per capita while the UK pays $97 per capita.

wut

Our tv licence in the UK is about £150 per year... that's a lot more than $97CAD

[Igster]

I'm surprised how many simply don't seem to care about the "tradition" of HNIC on CBC. Just wait until we have the brutal broadcasts from Rogers...you're gonna' wish the CBC was back. I grew up with CBC on just about every TV on Saturday night. And I'm going to miss that when it's gone. Regardless of what taxpayers paid for it.

[Burke Salad]

Will Rogers get full access to the historical games/images CBC has in it's hands?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by badradio

What I don't understand is how HNIC runs at a financial loss... This should be able to fund itself and bring in profit. Someone was/is asleep at the wheel...

I think this is the big reason why, and why they had to get out of the hockey business:

What about the CBC?

As a content provider, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation also wanted a share of revenue from cable companies. However, the CRTC specifically excluded the public broadcaster from the matter, saying that unlike private broadcasters, the CBC was not allowed to withhold its signals. In other words, it has to be delivered free.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/what-i...iage-1.1251376

CBC has to only rely on advertising for their revenue, while they have to compete with channels that charge a monthly fee for their channels. Carriage fee revenue is far outpacing advertising revenue in the sports tv world. So CBC doesn't really have a chance. Charging every cable and satellite subscriber $50 a year whether they watch the channel or not, almost makes advertising revenue insignificant.

It will be interesting to see what plays out as the CRTC seems to be pressuring a more a la carte model. Will Rogers hockey channels become $10-$20 a month channels if they are offered a la carte?

[troutman]

Make CBC TV like PBS. Spend more on CBC radio.

[ae118]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The UK is a completely different market with double the population of Canada in an area HALF the size of Alberta. They can focus their programming and production much better than the CBC would ever be able to.

To me this is all the more reason to have the CBC - we're culturally diverse and geographically disparate. We can choose to create programming that reflects who we are or we can watch endless amounts of American TV.

I'm all for a BBC model for CBC. TV needs a new strategy and decent, predictable funding. CBC Radio 1 is excellent and should be better funded as-is.


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