[News] Kevin Hayes signs with the Rangers

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Not a loophole at all.

Any prospect that would be good enough to not only get a contract offer but to get two (after being redrafted) would without a doubt have a place to play. Any number of European leagues would sign him or he could sign a PTO with a NA minor-pro team... worst case is that he spends a year availing himself of the tuition money CHL guys get and plays CIS for a year.

There really is no difference. It's 4 years regardless of where you come out of.

Show me the last double NHL drafted and then CIS player to make the NHL and then we'll talk. look past your nose and the black & white 4 years and you'll see the problem.

[Parallex]

look past your nose and the black & white 4 years and you'll see the problem.

There is no problem. Y'all are just making a mountain out of a molehill.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Parallex

There is no problem. Y'all are just making a mountain out of a molehill.

If Kevin Hayes becomes a top player for another team tell that to Chicago who wasted a 1st rounder on him

[nik-]

Originally Posted by T@T

If a player goes back in the draft and doesn't sign with his new team it's a safe bet he'll be a bust and never see the NHL. Junior players really have no place to play past age 20, College players do...huge difference and in a way it's a loophole to get to UFA status as young as age 21.

Lets say Jankowski puts on 30lbs and puts up MVP type numbers the next 2 years, all of a sudden he goes from being a joke Feaster pick to being a huge 6'4 220lb point producing center and the best player in college but because maybe he might like playing closer to home in the east decides to wait till Aug 2016 and becomes a UFA to pick his own team..

And this before his 22nd birthday.

After all the back and forth over that pick, what it could have been, what it might be, that would be a hilarious bookend to the Feaster tenure of the Flames.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by nik-

After all the back and forth over that pick, what it could have been, what it might be, that would be a hilarious bookend to the Feaster tenure of the Flames.

Well whether Jankowski turns out to be a great player or not, if we can't or decide to not sign him, we'll get a 2nd in compensation.

[getbak]

Changing the rule would require changing the CBA, which requires negotiating the change with the NHLPA. The change would be entirely at the benefit of the owners, so they'd have to give the players something in return.

This is something that still happens so infrequently that it's not really worth it to the owners to try to get it changed.


The fact is, more players still go unsigned at the end of their signing window because their drafting team chose not to sign them than ones who chose to not sign an offered contract.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by T@T

If Kevin Hayes becomes a top player for another team tell that to Chicago who wasted a 1st rounder on him

A: Their own dang fault for not convincing him to sign.
B: They'll either trade him or get compensation so not a waste.
C: Not a "problem" exclusive to that stream.
D: Rare enough occurance that it doesn't warrant mucking about with the system

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by getbak

Changing the rule would require changing the CBA, which requires negotiating the change with the NHLPA. The change would be entirely at the benefit of the owners, so they'd have to give the players something in return.

This is something that still happens so infrequently that it's not really worth it to the owners to try to get it changed.


The fact is, more players still go unsigned at the end of their signing window because their drafting team chose not to sign them than ones who chose to not sign an offered contract.

Yeah, I understand that the union has to be onside which is why I don't understand why it wasn't addressed in the last contract as the Euro draft picks now have to wait 4 years to get UFA status. This pretty much eliminates the situation we had with Tom.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, I understand that the union has to be onside which is why I don't understand why it wasn't addressed in the last contract as the Euro draft picks now have to wait 4 years to get UFA status. This pretty much eliminates the situation we had with Tom.

Actually I believe the 4 years only applies to players drafted from countries/leagues without an NHL transfer agreement, prior to that teams would hold their rights until they were UFA age.

So if my understanding is correct a player drafted from Sweden would have to re-enter the draft, like Erixon would still have to re-enter the draft. But a player drafted out of the MHL like Rafikov the team would hold their rights for 4 years.

[Wastedyouth]

They should do what the MLB does. And if the prospect isn't signed, have compensation picks, and pick in the top 10 is compensation protected as another top 10 pick.

[saXon]

That would certainly piss off any team that's sitting behind the compensatory top 10 pick in the draft order.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by saXon

That would certainly piss off any team that's sitting behind the compensatory top 10 pick in the draft order.

Haha, ignore my comment, seems I was incorrect in the way it works.

[PeteMoss]

If the hawks had offered Hayes a contract last year, they could have signed him. They gambled on waiting and lost (maybe).

I don't agree with giving a players rights to a team for an extra year. It helps the few teams who have players who go to free agency but screws the much larger list of players who the teams won't sign.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If the hawks had offered Hayes a contract last year, they could have signed him. They gambled on waiting and lost (maybe)...

Hayes' juniour season was pretty pedestrian, and it would have come as a surprise for the Hawks to offer a contract to a prospect with rather middling returns at that point. I don't agree that this was a real option last year.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Actually I believe the 4 years only applies to players drafted from countries/leagues without an NHL transfer agreement, prior to that teams would hold their rights until they were UFA age.

So if my understanding is correct a player drafted from Sweden would have to re-enter the draft, like Erixon would still have to re-enter the draft. But a player drafted out of the MHL like Rafikov the team would hold their rights for 4 years.

That is incorrect.

8.6(d) Players Drafted from a Club Outside North America.

(i) Notwithstanding any provision of Sections 8.6(a) or (b) to the contrary, if a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is drafted from a club outside North America, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Hayes' juniour season was pretty pedestrian, and it would have come as a surprise for the Hawks to offer a contract to a prospect with rather middling returns at that point. I don't agree that this was a real option last year.

there was a good chance that Hayes would have turned pro last season if not for that season-ending quadriceps injury in February.

Kevin Hayes will be staying at Boston College for his senior year on the hockey team, the forward confirmed to The Heights. Hayes is property of the Chicago Blackhawks, but won’t be leaving school early to sign with them.

There was a good possibility that Hayes would sign with the Blackhawks following his junior year and join them this summer, but a late-season injury gave him no other option but to stay at BC. After suffering a freak injury as his quadriceps muscle popped out of place on Feb. 26, Hayes missed the rest of his junior year and underwent three separate surgeries.

http://www.bcheightssports.com/2013/...senior-season/

[sureLoss]

Hayes and Blackhawks will start negotiating again when the playoffs are over:

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blac...ate-again-soon

Hayes' agent, Robert Murray, said Wednesday that Hayes still had not decided whether to sign with the Blackhawks. Murray said he and Hayes, who recently returned from playing for Team USA in the IIHF World Championship in Belarus, had briefly spoken since Hayes returned. Murray said he expected negotiations with the Blackhawks to begin after the team’s season ended.

Murray said Hayes accepted an invitation by the Blackhawks to attend Game 5 of the Western Conference finals between the Blackhawks and Los Angeles Kings in Chicago on Wednesday. Hayes tweeted Wednesday: "Just landed in Chicago. Can't wait for game 5 tonight @NHLBlackhawks v the Kings."

[FBI]

Good game to attend..

[sureLoss]

Yeah it would be a pretty big dick move for Hayes to accept a free plane fare, hotel, and playoff tickets if he had zero intention of signing with Chicago.

[ignite09]

Damn, was kinda hoping for another free prospect. Still nice to see prospects signing with the team that drafts them though.