[Rumour] Tallon Actively Shopping 1st Overall Pick in 2014 Draft

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vox

I agree with you whole-heartedly. I still find it an interesting guideline for pure scoping though. Baertschi seems to still be drafted around 11th in the 2011 redrafts, isn't an NHLer yet, but looks to be one. While very arbitrary, helps put the potential value of a pick in some perspective, at least to me.

Baertschi would have been an 13th overall at the start of last season (where he was drafted) but his demotion and slow development in the AHL would have moved him down...

All but one of the players drafted ahead of him are closer to being NHL regulars than he is except for #11 pick Duncan Siemens.

2nd round picks Boone Jenner, Saad, Nieto, Jurco would be ahead of him and even the Flames Granlund might be ahead of Baertschi.

Out of the the 2011 draft class he would be a late 1st rounder.

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by Igster

He's a fan fav. He's the captain and had a great season and according to all reports is a great leader in the room. You just don't trade guys like that. Not when you are trying to build a winning room and environment. You don't make a guy the captain and then trade him because he's been a good leader and has great value now. That sounds like something the Oilers would do.

I understand all of that and I am certainly not canvasing to move Gio but eventually everyone moves on. For once i would like to see the flames get top dollar for a player, its not like we are winning right now anyway. If you can find someone willing to pay then you need to take a look.

To be clear i don't underestimate the value that Gio has in helping to guide and develop the many many kids that have, and will be, stepping into the lineup during this rebuild.

[Igster]

And I'm sure Gio will move on, but now is not the time. I don't see the Flames trading him anytime soon.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

I've said this before this season, but Giordano's value has never been as high as it is now. For a franchise that has historically be unable/unwilling to cash in on player values, I would not have an issue with the Flames exploring the possibilities of moving Gio. This is not to say I would move Gio for #1 but I certainly would have the conversation and see where it goes.

Completely agree with you. Does Gio really fit into the future plans of this organization. Realistically this team is not going to make the playoffs in the next few years, why not trade him for another building block. I think sometimes people get scared of total rebuilds because they see what happen in Edmonton, but if done properly it can work out. Part of the problem in Edmonton was they continually drafted small players and very few impact d-men.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Completely agree with you. Does Gio really fit into the future plans of this organization. Realistically this team is not going to make the playoffs in the next few years, why not trade him for another building block. I think sometimes people get scared of total rebuilds because they see what happen in Edmonton, but if done properly it can work out. Part of the problem in Edmonton was they continually drafted small players and very few impact d-men.

Or just keep him around to mentor the young players and be the captain we need. I think sometimes people get so enamored with picks and "building blocks". Not part of the future plans? He sure is, at this very moment he's the guy to lead the team to respectability. After that who knows, depends on how long it takes, but you can't trade everyone at their peak value. Someday we're going to need players *in Calgary* at their peak.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Way more interesting is the idea of getting FLA's pick without giving up the Flames 1st this year or next.

But if they want help now, the math doesn't work I doubt Wideman, Hudler and Glenx (assume waive NTC) would be enough. Even with salary retained on Wideman.

Also if Camm and Wideman both go, Flames will have to pay silly money to a UFA to get to the floor. Consensus is the top UFAs won't want to be here.

That's the thing. We don't have the pieces to land the first overall and keep the 4th unless we dangle Monahan, Sven+, Johnny+, Brodie+ or 2015 1st +

Flames shouldn't entertain those offers.

Think about it we are in a similar spot as Florida in terms of a rebuild. If we ha the first overall pick what would you want in order to move that pick? I would ask for a player drafted in the last 3 years who is already a proven player in the league

[ah123]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Does Gio really fit into the future plans of this organization. Realistically this team is not going to make the playoffs in the next few years, why not trade him for another building block.

Gio sets the culture of the dressing room, that is why trading him is a very risky proposition If the leader of the team gives his 100% everytime, it is hard for the rest of the team to slack off.

If there are enough individuals in the dressing room with that consistent work ethic, then the GM can look at trading Gio. I doubt the Flames have enough individuals with that consistent work ethic yet at this point in the rebuild.

[Vinny01]

Also trading Gio turns us into the Oilers pretty quick. He is a huge reason the culture change was so successful year one post Iggy/Kipper.

[cannon7]

A prospect post-draft is like a new car -- their valuation drops through the floor until they prove themselves. Baertschi was briefly the exception after those three goals in five games straight out of minors. This season his value is back down to the expected levels.

You don't give up Baertschi to move from 4th to 1st, you're getting a great player at 4th already -- why give up a prospect with huge potential? In other words, do you do Ekblad for Baertschi and Bennett? Or whoever shakes out at 4th...

[etc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Also trading Gio turns us into the Oilers pretty quick. He is a huge reason the culture change was so successful year one post Iggy/Kipper.

Or the Avalanche, they tanked the perfect year and magically turned it around right away, I don't see anyone like Gio on that team, the previous year they had team-mates calling each other out in the media, we have guys like McGrattan and Stajan, that wouldn't happen here. If you can get the first overall this year and get a potential top D man you do it, and Gio is single handedly keeping us from being the worst team in the league, for a chance at McDavid it's worth it, people are just overreacting to what's happening up north. Will never happen though, but in the long run it could be a great move or a massive failure.

[djsFlames]

I'd put money down that Gaudreau becomes a higher point producer than any of the top forwards. Ekblad is a different conversation, but still. Point is, the price would be way too high. Let Edmonton overpay and ruin the play they get anyways. I'd rather we stay at 4 and still get a great player, while giving up nothing.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

I've said this before this season, but Giordano's value has never been as high as it is now. For a franchise that has historically be unable/unwilling to cash in on player values, I would not have an issue with the Flames exploring the possibilities of moving Gio. This is not to say I would move Gio for #1 but I certainly would have the conversation and see where it goes.

I agree, not many guys make a leap at his age (30) and sustain it, it was likely just an outlier year

by which I mean last year he was one of the top 10 d men in the league last year, when more likely he slips back to being a top pairing guy but not up there with the elite guys

if someone is willing to offer value as a top 10 guy for him I would take it

[Stupid]

I have seen very few offers on here that I'd entertain. Most offers are centred around Ekblad, who has a chance of just falling in our lap if we do nothing. With this in mind I cannot wrap my head around some of the quality and quantity of players/picks/prospects some of us are willing to give up.

If I had to pick a time to break my piggy bank I'd wait a year.

[Wolfman]

I think we keep #4 and aren't desperate enough to make a deal with Florida. Edmonton on the other hand, might have to.

I'm going with this top 5 prediction...

FLA-EKBLAD BUF-REINHART EDM-BENNETT CGY-DRAISAITL NYI- DAL COLLE

[Coach]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Completely agree with you. Does Gio really fit into the future plans of this organization. Realistically this team is not going to make the playoffs in the next few years, why not trade him for another building block. I think sometimes people get scared of total rebuilds because they see what happen in Edmonton, but if done properly it can work out. Part of the problem in Edmonton was they continually drafted small players and very few impact d-men.

So maybe keep ours?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cannon7

A prospect post-draft is like a new car -- their valuation drops through the floor until they prove themselves. Baertschi was briefly the exception after those three goals in five games straight out of minors. This season his value is back down to the expected levels.

You don't give up Baertschi to move from 4th to 1st, you're getting a great player at 4th already -- why give up a prospect with huge potential? In other words, do you do Ekblad for Baertschi and Bennett? Or whoever shakes out at 4th...

Baertschi and the 4th won't land the 1st overall pick. If it would I would imagine Treliving would jump on it.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Baertschi and the 4th won't land the 1st overall pick. If it would I would imagine Treliving would jump on it.

You're kidding yourself.

Florida needs wingers as much as any position. They would be set for the future with Dal Colle and Baertschi.

[mhsyyc]

All this talk of trading Gio is lunacy. Take him out if the mix and the Flames lose will and the drive they had last year. They still need him. He's a central building block and he's more valuable staying than as trade bait.

[Vulcan]

I guess it depends on how much we value Ekblad but I'd trade our 4th overall and Baertschi for first overall, as his stock is falling. The thing is Florida probably wants a young established player like Brodie. I wouldn't trade Brodie or Gio for something that may even turn out as was said, a boat.

anyways what I mean is it would be lunacy to trade any of our untouchables.

[Mr.Coffee]

First of all, what is Florida thinking? A guy like Ekblad is just what the doctor ordered for them but ok.

Second of all, I firmly believe there is a little bit of group-think / overrating of Gaudreau on this site. I like him as much as the next guy, I love the college stats, the Hobey Baker, all of it. I think he will be a terrific player, but not better than Ekblad, and if you look at our best prospects, we could use a legit 1A Dman prospect like him.

I think you strongly consider moving Gaudreau for the first overall, and if it's Gaudreau plus something, consider that too (but not the 4th overall, that would be too much).