CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[starseed]

I am going to vote with ineedanother, as he is the only one proven to be a townsperson.

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by starseed

It is tenuous, but based on earlier defensiveness/vibe, and that you were quick to join Timbo with the ineedanother vote. You may have dressed it up with doubt, but it was still a vote that was leading to added pressure rushing ineedanother to act early.

I was not joining Timbo in trying to take out ineedanother. Go back and read my logic, I wanted the proof he had the kill, end of story. I think once it was revealed he had a kill earlier was the best option, no other REAL proof could be identified. We now have a couple days to bounce around ideas rather then a knee reaction vote last minute. I said I would remove my vote when he did what he said he would. He did, so I did.

Now that ineedanother has proved to be Town, I strongly suggest the doctor protect him. It's a win-win either the Mafia doesn't really think he is protected and wastes a night kill or we continue to have 1 person we know is 100% trustworthy.

[Aeneas]

That was alot if reading to catch up.
I still think the first day lynch will be pretty random.
Lot of theories, but really not much to base a decision on.
Someone has to die, maybe we get lucky...

VOTE: hmmhmmcamo

[Aeneas]

Moving forward, I think I will vote for all the posters with difficult to remember/spell user names.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Yikes.

I think we need to go back and look a little closer at Rathji. He was the one that got the ineedanother ball rolling initially (post 232) and was pretty adamant that his theory was right. Street Pharmacist voted pretty quickly after that and a way things went.

I got on board with voting for ineedanother after he role revealed. It looked like a panic move by a mafia member to me which is why I went with it.

[Kjesse]

I find it interesting that ineedanother gets it wrong the first time, but still his second selection is deemed good. In part he was targeted himself the first time due to somewhat erratic reasoning. And he made a big disclosure when a lot of us don't agree it was time.

I think his second selection is better than his first, but am very unsure, this round has been very chaotic which plays into the objectives of the mafia.

I'd be willing to vote hmmh, HD, Transplant, probably one or two others this round, but I'm going to stand pat for the afternoon at least.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Yikes.

I think we need to go back and look a little closer at Rathji. He was the one that got the ineedanother ball rolling initially (post 232) and was pretty adamant that his theory was right. Street Pharmacist voted pretty quickly after that and a way things went.

I got on board with voting for ineedanother after he role revealed. It looked like a panic move by a mafia member to me which is why I went with it.

Yeah, Rathji's reasoning wasn't so sound but some jumped on it. Frankly though, both he and you wanting to off ineedanother after the role reveal is much worse reasoning.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I got on board with voting for ineedanother after he role revealed. It looked like a panic move by a mafia member to me which is why I went with it.

The issue I have with this thought is that if he was lying it was an easy lie to clear up. The real vigilante kills him and boom, you killed a mafia member.

People jumping on the vote after the reveal and before you give the real vigilante time to kill him is what is suspicious.

[CaptainCrunch]

ok, I'm voting off of instinct here and it might muddy the waters.

I'm just having problems with Rathji in terms of pushing so hard for the use of the Vig power, when it could have been protected by a doctor for another time that it could be used. As it was the Vig power is gone, now I know that doesn't make him scum for sure. But to me, mafia wants that power off of the deck as soon as possible, its a huge threat to the mob later in the game.

Vote: Rathjie

And I feel sad because clearly he's my biological father based on the avatars

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by starseed

I am going to vote with ineedanother, as he is the only one proven to be a townsperson.

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

I'm not convinced 100% that he's telling the truth, but it's good for the townies to keep him alive.

He'll be a target for at least one of the Mafia factions as even if he is scum, the other faction won't know. He has to be a target with his ability so if the Doctor protects him, one of four plausible things can happen:

1) He's telling the truth and both Mafia go after him. He'll die, but there will only 1 kill.

2) He's Mafia and won't die as he was protected by the doctor and only the other group would have targeted him

3) There's two deaths, but the vigilante is spared. Might then be considered lying scum

4) As above but not lying (less likely imo)

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not convinced 100% that he's telling the truth, but it's good for the townies to keep him alive.

He'll be a target for at least one of the Mafia factions as even if he is scum, the other faction won't know. He has to be a target with his ability so if the Doctor protects him, one of four plausible things can happen:

1) He's telling the truth and both Mafia go after him. He'll die, but there will only 1 kill.

2) He's Mafia and won't die as he was protected by the doctor and only the other group would have targeted him

3) There's two deaths, but the vigilante is spared. Might then be considered lying scum

4) As above but not lying (less likely imo)

I'm confused. Are you talking about ineedanother? Because after he used his kill, we know that he is 100% town. Take a look at the role PMs on the first page, it clearly states that the vigilante is a townie.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I find it interesting that ineedanother gets it wrong the first time, but still his second selection is deemed good. In part he was targeted himself the first time due to somewhat erratic reasoning. And he made a big disclosure when a lot of us don't agree it was time.

I think his second selection is better than his first, but am very unsure, this round has been very chaotic which plays into the objectives of the mafia.

I'd be willing to vote hmmh, HD, Transplant, probably one or two others this round, but I'm going to stand pat for the afternoon at least.

Wow, you just can't shake tossing my name out there? You have provided nothing to go on except the fact I called you out (originally as a joke). What other factors are behind your choice? The fact I'm trying to uncover scum? How I'm putting theories out there that only seem to benefit the town (IE my reasoning behind supporting the ASAP daytime kill)?

I'm winning to vote hmmh or you at this point.

Why wouldn't ineedanother's second choice be deemed good? He is now proven to be town, it doesn't mean we have to follow his reasoning as it is just a suspicion. But we know he is not directing a false target on someone as part of an agenda. It is his guess but without any malcontent behind it.

[HalifaxDrunk]

winning = willing in above post. Stupid autocorrect.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Wow, you just can't shake tossing my name out there? You have provided nothing to go on except the fact I called you out (originally as a joke). What other factors are behind your choice? The fact I'm trying to uncover scum? How I'm putting theories out there that only seem to benefit the town (IE my reasoning behind supporting the ASAP daytime kill)?

I'm winning to vote hmmh or you at this point.

Why wouldn't ineedanother's second choice be deemed good? He is now proven to be town, it doesn't mean we have to follow his reasoning as it is just a suspicion. But we know he is not directing a false target on someone as part of an agenda. It is his guess but without any malcontent behind it.

We know ineedanother is town so we know he isnt trying to mislead us but that doesnt give him scum hunting superpowers. So when evaluating his posts we know his intent is for the good of the town but that doesnt mean his logic or gut feel is right.

So you still need to decide if the logic makes sense. I think we need to be careful of over relying on his opinion.

[devo22]

I'll go out for a few beers with some friends now, so I'll probably won't be online again until tomorrow morning (which, of course, is the middle of the night for you NA folk ). Probably best to get in a vote right now ... at least there'll be some interesting discussion if there are votes on the table.

I'm going with hmmhmmcamo at this point. Not so much because of ineedanother choosing him, but because of the fact that after being voted a couple of times, the main point of his rebuttal was throwing Rathji under the bus and I found that suspicious. A lot of that is gut feeling though and I'll be happy to change my vote if better ideas come up while I'm gone.

vote: hmmhmmcamo

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Why wouldn't ineedanother's second choice be deemed good? He is now proven to be town, it doesn't mean we have to follow his reasoning as it is just a suspicion. But we know he is not directing a false target on someone as part of an agenda. It is his guess but without any malcontent behind it.

This is pretty much the opposite as to what you said to ineedanother when he was contemplating a kill. You said it would be random. Now why different?

I will post my thoughts about why I'm looking at you so that everyone can see why, not just me, and it has little to do with your "joke". I'm going to be tied up now until later this evening though.

[Completely]

Originally Posted by starseed

I am going to vote with ineedanother, as he is the only one proven to be a townsperson.

Not a fan of doing things without solid reasoning. Still the first day the only person we know for fact is scum is ineedanother. He has been leading the charge but he doesn't know for a fact who scum yet he proved that with killing timbo. With so much info in the thread it's not fair to make a vote just cause 'someone else did'. It's a valid strategy to be the first person to jump on the bandwagon so you can just say "hey i was there first". We aren't canuck fans here

Vote: starseed

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Why wouldn't ineedanother's second choice be deemed good?

Timbo

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm going with hmmhmmcamo at this point. Not so much because of ineedanother choosing him, but because of the fact that after being voted a couple of times, the main point of his rebuttal was throwing Rathji under the bus and I found that suspicious. A lot of that is gut feeling though and I'll be happy to change my vote if better ideas come up while I'm gone.

I didn't really throw him under the bus, I simply suggested we look at Rathji because he's the one that opened that door that several of us walked through. I've explained why I voted for ineedanother and at the time I think my reasoning was fair.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Completely

Not a fan of doing things without solid reasoning. Still the first day the only person we know for fact is scum is ineedanother. He has been leading the charge but he doesn't know for a fact who scum yet he proved that with killing timbo. With so much info in the thread it's not fair to make a vote just cause 'someone else did'. It's a valid strategy to be the first person to jump on the bandwagon so you can just say "hey i was there first". We aren't canuck fans here

Vote: starseed

I have explained my reasoning in prior posts. I think our best strategy is to vote as a block with a leader we know is a townsperson. The Timbo fail may have been a breakdown in logic, but at the time, he seemed like a reasonable choice considering his line of logic. The fail also just emphasized that we are all slinging mud too much right now, which is a big positive for the mafia. At this point, I am thinking we need a couple of votes behind us so that we can start forming more informed decisions. hmmhmmcamo was on my list already, so I am following ineedanother's lead.