No more fighting in junior hockey?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Dion

We're talking about players reactions and how it can sometimes lead to fights.

It only leads to fights because it is condoned and accepted by "hockey".


I don't believe it should be. As I said earlier, when does fighting become a coached and acceptable response?

Please let me know, perhaps I will pull my kids out of hockey before that point.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

As I said earlier, when does fighting become a coached and acceptable response?

Jan 18, 2014 vs Vancouver Canucks.
A situation largely pointed to as a turning point in both the Flames and Canucks season.

I see a big difference, rules wise, between fighting in professional vs amateur hockey

[theoforever]

Anyone who thinks that cheap shots will not go up is completely delusional. Burke and MacT as well as many other executives, former players and media guys that played the game, have gone on the record to state that in absence of a deterrent such as getting your ass kicked players will take liberties.

Terrible idea. Fighting is part of the game.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It only leads to fights because it is condoned and accepted by "hockey".


I don't believe it should be. As I said earlier, when does fighting become a coached and acceptable response?

Please let me know, perhaps I will pull my kids out of hockey before that point.

In the winter time I'm down at the local rink watching kids play hockey. I rarely see any fighting and for the vast majority of the time it's good hockey with lots of clean hits. I know families that have their kids registered in minor hockey and see no problems with the game at that level.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Anyone who thinks that cheap shots will not go up is completely delusional. Burke and MacT as well as many other executives, former players and media guys that played the game, have gone on the record to state that in absence of a deterrent such as getting your ass kicked players will take liberties.

Terrible idea. Fighting is part of the game.

Plenty of players didn't want helmets and lots of goalies didn't want masks.

Should we trust the players/ former players judgement?

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Plenty of players didn't want helmets and lots of goalies didn't want masks.

Should we trust the players/ former players judgement?

Should we trust people that have nothing to do with the sport to tell everyone how it should be done?

Hockey is emotional game and revenge plays part in everything.

I have my opinion and you have yours.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Dion

In the winter time I'm down at the local rink watching kids play hockey. I rarely see any fighting and for the vast majority of the time it's good hockey with lots of clean hits. I know families that have their kids registered in minor hockey and see no problems with the game at that level.

Ok so when does it change.


It is clear we have a difference of opinion, which is cool. I don't see a need for fighting in the game, certainly not at the level talked about in the article.

As mentioned the game has plenty of ways to "get even" either by scoring, or laying a legal hit on the player.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Hockey is emotional game and revenge plays part in everything.

So other sports that don't have fighting aren't emotional?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Should we trust people that have nothing to do with the sport to tell everyone how it should be done?

Hockey is emotional game and revenge plays part in everything.

I have my opinion and you have yours.

What about the opinion of medical professionals? What about what we know about concussions and brain injuries?

Are you that heartless that you'd rather a person suffer through his old age so you can be entertained?

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So other sports that don't have fighting aren't emotional?

What's unique in hockey is that you have sticks and boards that are used as weapons.

In soccer you don't body check, same goes for basketball, and baseball
The only other game that is as physical is football.

Human nature is human nature.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by theoforever

The only other game that is as physical is football.

Football - you mean the sport where they don't allow fighting?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by theoforever

What's unique in hockey is that you have sticks and boards that are used as weapons.

In soccer you don't body check, same goes for basketball, and baseball
The only other game that is as physical is football.

Human nature is human nature.

Rugby Union, Rugby League, both very physical sports, that involve "big hits", neither has the same fighting discussion/acceptance.

Lacrosse (although to be fair I am not familiar with the level of fighting in lacorsse), but that sport is also played with weapons (which you can use on the player) and it has boards.

Aussie Rules (while I am not a fan) there is a physical aspect to the game, again there are not the same fighing issues.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

What about the opinion of medical professionals? What about what we know about concussions and brain injuries?

Are you that heartless that you'd rather a person suffer through his old age so you can be entertained?

Actually, I don't get off on the fights, I accept them as part of deterrent.

You should ban boxing, wrestling, mixed martial arts and all martial arts in general.

Medical professionals have opinions on everything and half of it is wrong.

Smoking is bad for you but government continues to make money from it.
Alcohol causes more deaths and trauma in peoples lives than concussions.
Do you spend countless sleepless nights worrying about all that's wrong with the world?

Perhaps we should put an end to all activities that can create harm.
Lets start with armies and wars.

BTW.
Concussions clearly are a problem but even in soccer using your head to hit the ball results in damage.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Rugby Union, Rugby League, both very physical sports, that involve "big hits", neither has the same fighting discussion/acceptance.

Lacrosse (although to be fair I am not familiar with the level of fighting in lacorsse), but that sport is also played with weapons (which you can use on the player) and it has boards.

Aussie Rules (while I am not a fan) there is a physical aspect to the game, again there are not the same fighing issues.

Perhaps Rugby has changed but in the old days it was extremely brutal, eye gouging and biting were common as was fighting. Don't care about it, not a major sport anyway.

Lacrosse has 5 minute penalty for fighting and players are not ejected, interesting this sport has weapons too. You are making my point.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Actually, I don't get off on the fights, I accept them as part of deterrent.

You should ban boxing, wrestling, mixed martial arts and all martial arts in general.

Or we could save those sports for fighting and save hockey for, I don't know, playing hockey?

A pair of goons facing off and getting the tapping sticks on the board treatment from both teams does nothing but waste some time before they drop the puck again. Just because it's the way it was doesn't mean it's the way it needs to be. It's time to stop wasting rosters spots on 2 minutes/game plugs. Yes, I'm not just talking about Jr. hockey any more but professional hockey too.

This is going to upset you but it's only a matter of time until they remove fighting from the NHL too. Sorry.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Perhaps Rugby has changed but in the old days it was extremely brutal, eye gouging and biting were common as was fighting.

Appears you don't much about the sport..........

Don't care about it, not a major sport anyway.

Lacrosse has 5 minute penalty for fighting and players are not ejected, interesting this sport has weapons too. You are making my point.

I ain't making your point, I am having a discussion, a free exchange of ideas.

Thanks for the information on Lacorsse. I said that I didn't know much about it.

What is the prevalence of fighting in Lacrosse?

[troutman]

Fighting has to go (whether some of us like it or not):

We know more about concussions
Leagues have to be sensitive about law suits
Insurers will push for a prohibition

[elpatzer]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Lacrosse (although to be fair I am not familiar with the level of fighting in lacorsse), but that sport is also played with weapons (which you can use on the player) and it has boards.

Just an FYI there is fighting in the NLL. I'll look it up but I seem to recall that the number of fights / NLL game was remarkably close to that of an NHL game. I'm not supporting either argument here just pointing out the parallels in the two sports with boards and weapons.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by troutman

Fighting has to go (whether some of us like it or not):

We know more about concussions
Leagues have to be sensitive about law suits
Insurers will push for a prohibition

Hitting has go as well (like it or not). It causes more injuries than fighting and it's also not necessary.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by kevman

This is going to upset you but it's only a matter of time until they remove fighting from the NHL. Sorry.

And the cooke's of hockey will multiply.
My point is that if you remove fighting there will be more cheap shots in the game.

There is always cause and effect.
Make the game faster create more highs speed collisions.
Remove interference, more guys get plastered.
One day the players may learn, but there will be more people hurt prior to that.

Next time one of our players gets hit from behind and lies unconscious on the ice, perhaps we can admire the restrain and maturity of our players because they understand that fighting is wrong.
And how nice it is to see such a well behaved team going about business as usual, showing higher moral standard due to enlightenment brought upon by few voices of reason such as yourself.