The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[Regular_John]

An overly simplistic view of the situation.

She was forced out of her job as premier, but let's call a spade a spade, she was fired. In any other private business when you get fired you typically don't get to keep collecting a paycheque. Yes, there may be severance & vacation pay, possibly stock option implications, but typically the company cuts you one last cheque and you go on your way.

But with Redford she's been fired from the job, gotten the "golden parachute" and guess what... we're still paying her, a 6 figure salary to boot, for a job she isn't even doing.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

No is it too much to expect her to do her job? Something she's clearly not doing as she has pretty much locked her constituance office and fled town.

Your talking about the moral outrage being a joke. Its in her job description as an MLA to represent her constituents in the legislature. She's not doing that. She's not showing up for work she's missed a bunch of days in which the mechanism kicks in to reduce her salary, and she applies for a non reduction in her salary which is put in place for people with real issues or real health problems, and given her litany of entitlement issues, something that she's probably not suffering from.

Last time I checked, having hurt feelings or being butt hurt is not an excuse for someone being paid by tax payer dollars to skip work and continue to get paid.

The outrage is legitimate. She's basically spent a ton of money on using the Alberta plane as her personal airline at a cost to us. She tried and thank god she failed to build her own version of the Tsar's winter palace to house herself and her daughter. She basically lied and made up excuses, and then when she got busted for it, she fled from her job and demanded that she did get paid.

She's the very picture of why Canadians don't trust their leadership.

She's the poster boy of excess and really if you look at it corruption.

And our outrage is false?

Hilarious.

If this was Danielle Smith as premier doing it, the outrage on this board would physically feel like a 6000 pound gorilla throwing a falcon punch.

Frankly, I would imagine that there would be some allowance for stress leave based upon circumstances that have transpired over the course of the previous 2 years. Her taking a month off of work isn't such a big deal when you consider that she never really had a vacation-vacation since becoming Premier, which is a 24-7-365 type of job.

The fact that she was in Palm Springs over the Easter weekend means nothing to me, the fact that she was with her kid (who is under the age of 18 I am guessing and is likely still in school) makes me think that this was a trip over the Spring Break and likely a chance to get away from being bashed in the media for every misstep.

I don't think that she was a good Premier by any stretch but the vigour that people are attacking her over every single issue, makes me think that her taking time away from the Legislature may actually allow government business to get done so that the focus isn't on the presence of a single MLA.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Frankly, I would imagine that there would be some allowance for stress leave based upon circumstances that have transpired over the course of the previous 2 years. Her taking a month off of work isn't such a big deal when you consider that she never really had a vacation-vacation since becoming Premier, which is a 24-7-365 type of job.

The fact that she was in Palm Springs over the Easter weekend means nothing to me, the fact that she was with her kid (who is under the age of 18 I am guessing and is likely still in school) makes me think that this was a trip over the Spring Break and likely a chance to get away from being bashed in the media for every misstep.

I don't think that she was a good Premier by any stretch but the vigour that people are attacking her over every single issue, makes me think that her taking time away from the Legislature may actually allow government business to get done so that the focus isn't on the presence of a single MLA.

Do you think the PC party is happy about her still being in the news? I highly doubt it and they probably wish she would just make a statement as to her absense so the media could focus on the govt business.

Chances are it's stress leave but her silence isn't doing her image or that of the party any good. All Redford has left is her integrety and you would think she'd want to clear the air on that.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Her taking a month off of work isn't such a big deal when you consider that she never really had a vacation-vacation since becoming Premier, which is a 24-7-365 type of job.

Did you forget why she is no longer premier.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Frankly, I would imagine that there would be some allowance for stress leave based upon circumstances that have transpired over the course of the previous 2 years.

I don't get fully paid stress leave for being so bad at my job that I have to run away. Why should she?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

So....... how much money is the Redford resignation going to end up costing? Seems like a terrible way to get back 45K.

Going forward, it would be a lot better for everyone if we would just concede the fact that world leaders need to travel around the world. And that costs money.

Alberta is one of the richest places in the world. Our provincial government has fallen over a 45K travel expense. And the Federal Government is turning their wheels over 90K.

Sometimes I think I'm living in country full of Rick Bells. These people are world leaders. Let them drink all the 16$ orange juice they want.

Why focus on just the one trip when she was flying to vacation spots on the Alberta jet, using it to take her kid on vacations. Sending it to pick up her nanny and then having it return empty.

Its not just the 45 k, there were a lot more trips under scrutiny then that.

On top of that trying to get a golden palace built.

Being in charge of a government that put together one of the shadiest accounting and budgeting practices since Enron.

People are saying she didn't take vacations, she clearly took several.

On top of that there's the possibility under investigation that she used Alberta's plan to go to fund raising events which is another problem in on itself.

If she's taking stress leave, then announce that she's taking stress leave(that's the rule btw if she goes on sick leave it has to be disclosed, you know in the name of transparency) and this goes away. But under the rules of government, the citizens of this province have a right to know why she's getting paid to go on vacation when she's been missing for a month.

I'm wondering, Alison was elected in 2008, Is she eligible for full pension or does she have to stick around for her entire second term to get her pension?

IIRC you have to serve two full terms to get the full pension, so will Alison refuse to show up for work for the next 15 or 16 months and then further leach off of the system.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Frankly, I would imagine that there would be some allowance for stress leave based upon circumstances that have transpired over the course of the previous 2 years.

And that would be fine, if she stood up and said it was the reason. It is her silence that damns her.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Sometimes I think I'm living in country full of Rick Bells. These people are world leaders. Let them drink all the 16$ orange juice they want.

Except the part she failed most at is being a leader. She's no leader just look at her body of work. She's a fraud that's only interest in being a leader is the perks that come with it. I find her absolutely disgusting. If anyone's noticed I can't stand the Liberals but I will vote Liberal before PC in the next election because the PC party is beyond broken and needs to spend a term on the outside to regroup and get their priorities back in order.

[Slava]

Does anyone know how long she's been gone? Seems like it's something like two weeks.

[Yeah_Baby]

I hear Redford is going to Salem next.

[flamesfan1297]

EDIT: wrong thread

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Slava

Does anyone know how long she's been gone? Seems like it's something like two weeks.

She announced her resignation March 19th.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

She announced her resignation March 19th.

And she's been in Palm Springs ever since? I mean 6 weeks off is inexcusable. A couple weeks though seems pretty routine.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Slava

And she's been in Palm Springs ever since? I mean 6 weeks off is inexcusable. A couple weeks though seems pretty routine.

What a coincidence that her visit to Palm Springs lines up with the time she should be in the legislature. She could have taken a vacation during the last week of March and the first week of April when the legislature was not in session.

[Dion]

One thing is certain; unexplained or inappropriate absences are extremely damaging in politics, both to the politician and his or her party.

Ex-premier Ed Stelmach did the Conservatives a world of harm in the summer of 2010, when he and his wife went on a European trip that she’d won in a charity auction.

They left just as the Medicine Hat area was suffering a disastrous flood. People were furious with him. Wildrose now holds that riding.

One August day in 1987, then Premier Don Getty’s spokesman said he was “working out of the office” just as an Alberta investment company called the Principal Group was collapsing, obliterating the savings of hundreds of Albertans.

In fact, Getty was golfing. The Edmonton Journal snapped a photo to prove it. His reputation never quite recovered. That happened long before cellphones and social media existed.

Now, Redford’s latest mystery trip will make many PCs very uncomfortable.

She’s gone — long gone, apparently — but not nearly as forgotten as they want her to be.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion...753/story.html

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Slava

And she's been in Palm Springs ever since? I mean 6 weeks off is inexcusable. A couple weeks though seems pretty routine.

Avoiding all of the spring session is inexcusable. She doesn't have to answer questions about the sky palace or the 40 trips on govt planes with her daughter. Questions that go unanswered.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Dion

Avoiding all of the spring session is inexcusable. She doesn't have to answer questions about the sky palace or the 40 trips on govt planes with her daughter. Questions that go unanswered.

It's just theatre though. In the meantime we need more schools, better health care and a more diversified economy. I know that stuff isn't as exciting as whether there was a conversation a few years ago about how many bathrooms should go in the suite, or who was getting honey roasted peanuts on a government airplane, but they are still important.

[Resolute 14]

False dichotomy. We can focus on both the matters of schools, health care, etc. and on Redford's continued attempts to bring her party down.

[Erick Estrada]

The PC party sure is in a major slump with two of the all time worst premiers back to back. Is it really that hard to find someone passably competent to lead a party? They pick bumbling, small town guy with an inferiority complex that was way over his head as a provincial leader and follow that up with an even worse leader that managed put Alberta into debt which is no easy feat but understandable seeing her personal spending habits. Time for a change as if these two duds were the best the party can do it's time to look somewhere else for leadership.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

False dichotomy. We can focus on both the matters of schools, health care, etc. and on Redford's continued attempts to bring her party down.

It's not a false dichotomy. When the newspaper shows an article every day about her in Palm Springs I can see where the priorities are. Yesterday it was her in a restaurant. Today it's her riding a bike. I can hardly wait for tomorrow's scoop of her on a golf course or beside a pool. Here's hoping we get to see both!